Beau, that is really outrageous about your flute. I thimk you should tell that man where he can stick it!! Just to get back about making the "warbling sound" I have realised that what I was on about was infact a grace note but played with a different emphasis. I talked to the teacher at my class and am practising the sound now. By the way I had a go at the "cran" my god that is advanced stuff!! I think I am going to try and walk before I run. Useful for future reference though and also to impress people with my knowledge!!