agreeing with catspaw that this thread gets stranger & stranger......I love a good debate, but you will note that I gave up WAY back trying to inject reason into it.

I wonder sometimes if some people subconciously avoid simple answers and sceptical reasoning because it is just too dull & boring.
....immaculate conception and aliens and Pantheism are just much more fun to speculate about..

ah, well...carry on...I'll jes' set here and shake my weary ol' head.