Rick.........Since the tech end of this and the thread on computer wizardry has probably left us both searching for the meaning of life, let me ask you, regarding your last post, how many and which finger(s) are used in a Mudcat salute? You're so right, ain't no use recitin' the oath without a salute and since 2,3,and 4 fingers are already taken by other organizations, what do you have in mind?catspaw