I am right there with you, Joe. There was a time I would not have said this, but I think that at this stage of The Mudcat's life, it is time. The GUESTS have gotten to the point of being more interested in disrupting the place; and more interested in manipulating folks through inflammatory posts so they can get their jollies, than they are in the general discussion. Heated debate is not only fine, but it is desired. The types of things I have seen lately don't even belong on the same page as a decent debate on an issue.

Mick