Fionn - I can only go by what I see - and in all of the instances I noted above of Americans being killed I did not see a public outcry. With the notable exception of the Twin Towers.

As far as "poor old N1" goes I am neither poor nor old. And your patriarchal sarcasm is not lost on me. Pat me on the head if you want - but I and millions of others have opinions and concerns that need to be heard and addressed also.

I have no beef with those who are demonstrating, going as shields, or anything else that folks do when a crisis is coming. I'm not all excited about this scrap with the middle East. I just view the solution a bit different from you. Doesn't make me bad or good - just makes me who I am. And those who know me historically know that I do not advocate war. It has been a tremendous internal struggle with me as I opposed this action for the longest time. And as I read, watched, and learned I came to believe that it, the war, was more than likely warranted.

Too bad you all don't want to allow for discourse here on that. Kind of odd as on my other forum I am thought of as a Liberal. And I take my lumps there also - not a large as it is the internet and most don't have a clue anyway. And I am sure many here are as passionate as can be. Some I believe are simply there to get laid, push their own agenda, and denigrate those who have different views.

I wasn't pissing on anyones thread. After I had read the entire thread I made a statement that I believe to be true. And it had concerns for both sides. But some took it as other than it was. Too bad - as I've spent my life opposing war. Until now. So take it for what it is. I've always said that I am not a peace at any price person and there have been some urinating contests around that at times. So I'll abstain from babbling now so you folks can get back to congratulating yourselves on whatever it is that you are doing.

No sweat Kat - Bob needed a shot and so did I probably - we'll get over it - no harm in words.

Steve