After reading the above drivel...I categorize more than a few of you Thorazine riddled brain stem only non-entities on the same level as "BM". Or as an astute observer stated in another controversial thread, some of you disoriented fucks are "thread lifers", who have opinions about everything AND even a decent every month or so. As for Joe Offer and his henchmen, these people RUN this website...it SHOULD be their decision what is discussed. I am surprised that some discussions (?) are allowed to live as long as they do. So, yes, shape your drug and alcohol induced worthless asses or exit by the nearest door.