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Thread #57095 Message #897180
Posted By: Teribus
24-Feb-03 - 06:46 AM
Thread Name: BS: Why I support Disarming America
Subject: RE: BS: Why I support Disarming America
Having read down through the above some points just for clarification:
1. Iraq did not win the Iran-Iraq war. If anything they lost it in stalemate. Saddam initiated the conflict and singularly failed to attain any of the objectives set. The reason countries such as US, France, Russia, etc., came to Saddam's assistance was to ensure that Iraq did not suffer defeat - it would have meant the disintegration of Iraq.
2. Neither the US or UK put Saddam in power - that he did himself way back in 1978.
3. From Barry's Post:
"I will not forget how we did nothing while on December 23, 1915 the German Government filed at Constantinople a protest against the Turkish treatment of Armenians. We latter had the correct term for this mistreatment. Genocide."
Who's we paleface? - if that date is correct UK, France & Russia were at war with Turkey at the time - what more could we possibly have done?
"I will not forget how we did nothing while in Kosovo we watched the Bosnian Serbs in what we dubbed a civil war, commit genocide, it was ethnic cleansing of Muslims."
Bosnian Serbs in Kosovo?? Think you have your conflicts mixed up. Bosnia was where the UN did get involved - something to do with safe havens that were anything but - Same old UN apathy, result an extremely embarassing F**k Up - embarassing for the world community as a whole, not just the US.
Kosovo was where the UN couldn't decide what to do, Russia was going to use its veto, so NATO went in without UN backing - same crowd of Peace Campaigners, predicting horror and doom - the difference in results between Bosnia and Kosovo were as chalk to cheese. I bet if you ask either of the groups subject to ethnic cleansing in those two conflicts they will tell you what they would rather have seen happen.
"I will not forget how we watched 800,000 Hutu refugees in only a few months cleansed (again Genocide dubbed Civil War) by Tutsis in Rwanda, Uganda & all the US would do is make a demand to the UN to pull all their peace-keeping forces out of Uganda. These same Tutsis are now returning to Uganda."
Rwanda is a country in its own right - it is not part of Uganda. The UN has something in its charter about not being allowed to interfere in the internal affairs of member states. They can only intervene when requested to do so by the government of the country. Having gone in, and they go in in a peace-keeping role, they do not go in to solve the problem, they go in to halt the fighting and to get the various factions involved round a table for talks aimed at resolving the issues those factions see as points of conflict.
Cambodia - Pol Pot et al, UN saw that as an internal civil war - US could have acted unilaterally - that wouldn't have been too popular considering the circumstances.
"Don't forget, we did suppy Iraq with all the tools of mass destuction to finish of the Kerds,"
No you didn't.
By all means disarm America - I reckon you would need the briefest of heartbeats to realise that you had just made the biggest mistake imaginable.
The thread was started according to Barry above by "ugly truth quotin'" Ewan "Balls" (Barry doesn't mention whether or not we should amazed at their size for being huge or tiny) McVicar who asked:
"Why I support Disarming America"
Which he expanded upon with:
"Well - it's obvious really.
No need to say more.
Peace to all,
Ewan"
And I think that just about tells all. - PRAT