Thanks John in K, always handy to know what other characters may get in there in addition to CR(13) and LF(10) and how to deal with them.

If I'm copying/pasting HTML, I'm probably using one of my HTML editors. I use 2. MS Interdev, particularly if I'm also dealing with ASP and this zend product, I think it a great free tool for working with PHP. It's a Java program and I've had it running well on both Windows and Linux.

John in B, best wishes from me re your mum.

Jon