True enuf Amos... the 'masculine' that women carry around down deep is just as destructive as the sardonic stuff that men flaunt... Gender issues are not as important here as say... underhanded back stabbing remarks, or the allure of flirtation with ulterior motives... which traverse the gender and orientation fanfare... Just two examples... Two sides of the same individual coin... So, while we're at this, what would you say the difference between Siva and Animus is? They are similar I think... ttr