Rick, I may get barred for life for this but my own "reality" says that Joe, Jeff and Jeri (wow 3 J's never though of that before) hold this place together.

Joe is sort of leader of the forum organisation. I've had my own rows with Joe bit basically IMO his focus is on keeping something resembling music round here.

Jeff, is IMO a very good programer. He is the hidden one who never gets the praise he deserves.

Jeri, well, she was a very good friend until I went OTT with my criticisms here. She doesn't have the same power as Joe but is a genuine person wanting the best for Mudcat.

Jon