anyway, when i bought my mandolin i staterd a thread, i think it was called "buying a mandolin" and somebody i think he was caled Big Dave offered to sell me his because he bought a new one, and it was cheap , i didnt buy it because i already bought mine at thet time, but i was happy that he offered to sell me his and it was cheap as well, anyway, i think if somebody said i want to but ...intrument, and somebody else ssays, you can buy his then that is ok.