Some facts.

From the 'Then they came for me thread'.

21 Feb 03 - 09:48 PM
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Must be because The Shambles started it... a Mudcat mistake.
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I believe it was a mistake. It's now unlinked. --JoeClone

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I did the original grouping for the PEL threads, basing it on the "PEL: Links to all of them" thread. Since this thread was on the list, I included it. I was mistaken. The JoeClone was correct to remove it from the PEL group.
-Joe Offer-

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Shambles stated, in the thread on Thread Proliferation that he HAD wanted it to be grouped with the PEL threads, so it's back. --JoeClone

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4 March 03 -Well, I guess Shambles succeeded in his attempt to manipulate us into looking silly. The thread has been removed from the PEL group. This decision is final.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Then they came for me?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 05:40 AM

It was NOT a mistake.

Perhaps it could kindly be re-linked?

Perhaps Joe you could have checked, before acting on what you beleived?

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When it was determined that this thread was included by mistake, it was removed, and then inserted again due to miscommunication when Shambles demanded it. It was removed once again, and will not be included in the PEL group.

Joe if you can construe 'Perhaps it could kindly be re-linked' as a demand and a polite request as an ' attempt to manipulate us into looking silly', I think you have well made my point. If the above 'Gollum-like' mutterings make you look or feel silly, it is all of your own making and certainly not my intention. For the fact that you saw it as a 'demand' seemed to be the spiteful reason you finally decided to un-link it and as everyone can now clearly see it wasn't a demand, perhaps you could now kindly re-link it and we can all move on.

You sum-up with. So, that's mostly the facts, plus a small dose of my personal opinion. It's unfair to condemn me for my opinion if you fail to state my opinion correctly.

Your opinion I can deal with, it is your manipulation, bullying tone and final word, and telling the difference between them, that I have a more of problem with. In any 'verbal joust' with the King, it is as well to remember that he has the power at any time to chop off your head. This hardly makes for a fair contest.

You appear to have a basic problem in that you do not trust the posters and see everything as a paranoid 'battle over turf'. There may well be such a battle, but this is only with 'shadows'. Keeping on swinging the baseball bat at these shadows will not harm them but it will harm the people and very thing you claim to be fighting for. It is a discussion forum and it requires posts, threads and free expression from all shapes and sizes, it is not a battle. If you wish to change something, what is wrong with asking first?

Confine your opinions to the forum, where they have just as much validity as everyone else, and continue to 'empty the bins' by all means. But please do not aspire to judge us, or the value, intent or other aspects of our threads for us – we can do that ourselves.