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Thread #56949   Message #903928
Posted By: Abby Sale
05-Mar-03 - 09:24 AM
Thread Name: Obit: Jonathan Eberhart (18 Feb 2003)
Subject: RE: Obit: Jonathan Eberhart
Nancy: Thank you. Dates of birth in folkishness are problematic. Much like asking on which date some particular whaler sailed. When there's a discrepancy such as your and Tom's estimates, I usually record them as "so and so was born on xxxxxx AND on xxxxxx" instead of 'or.' Seems better for reasons I've well-established but won't go into here. In this case, KC separately confirms his own DOB. Although the two of you may well have conspired on this, I think I'm safe to take it as authoritative.

Tom: Thank you. By the same token, I can accept your own estimate of your own DOB. (This is not altogether flip - people often err in this or else mislead others in this for many reasons. At age 99, my grandmother insisted she was only 96 and didn't see why people were making such a fuss. Although my father probably told the truth about his age, but at age 91 his driver's licence still said he was two years older. He claimed he lied about it back in the days when records weren't so checkable so he could get his licence a couple of years early and be able to work and help support the family.)

I hope I can get more confirmation for Jonathan. I do especially need it for the "Happy!" file. Perhaps it will come out at the Memorial.

Among musicians, Noel Stucky & Louis Armstrong, eg, are famous for being born on multiple days - four or five different ones - so no surprise here.   Actually, I have good proof for their "actual" dates.

Bill D & Nancy: Sort of. Although I take that "relevant times" as a high compliment. Not all would agree.   The "Happy!" file is now a monster file of "today in folk history." Some 8 or 12 items per day. About half (the Happy! part) are aniversaries or birthday that you can say "Happy ....." to someone about.   

                           Happy Birthday!
                            Isla Cameron
                         born March 5, 1930
                               (d1980)

The other half are the "happy?" events giving any other event or link or song with this date, etc. etc.

The Fenian Uprising was March 5, 1867 (ie, Irish Republican Brotherhood – est by James Stephens 1858 – disolved c1885)

        'Twas down by the glenside, I met an old woman
        She was picking young nettles and she scarce saw me coming
        I listened a while to the song she was humming
        Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men.

"The Bold Fenian Man" (or Down by the Glenside) by Peadar Kearney, and when Margaret Barry sings it, you get the feeling she meant it.

Some obscure folkie kindly posted a few examples at Front page of a pretty good site

I'm not actively posting it these days but I'm still collecting & editing & one day it will impinge on All again.