Shambles, I think I know how you feel. I certainly know your position, You've made it clear several times in this thread. You are entitled to feel this way, even somewhat justified. Joe is not entirely impartial, he does express his own opinions, and there were errors made in the handling of the PEL threads. Joe has obliquely said all of these things in his answers to you on this thread.

The problem will be largely alleviated by the segregation of the "BS" threads and, since Joe has admitted that errors were made, it is less likely to happen again. If you are looking for a direct and formal apology, it is my guess that your frustration will continue. I believe that Joe feels he has been sufficiently contrite and wants to move to the next topic.

Rick's point, "If not Joe, then Who?" is very salient. There are a lot of fora out there, very few have that combination of warmth and spirit that this one does. I am sure that the MudCat would not be what it is without Joe's hand. I have met Joe in person and will tell you that he is a very warm and likeable man. He is a man and sometimes men make mistakes. Why don't we forgive him and move on.