Bill! "Ty Cobb as bad as Rose in his way"? Have you read the articles, the biography, the millions of words about Cobb? In many ways he would have given HITLER a run for his money!

BUT........although Cobb had virtually no friends he was very well connected with big shot segregationist politicians, and industrialists and don't forget Landis' views on Blacks. So it was a bit of a trade off. Cobb and Landis battled but basically they were cut from the same cloth.

You know, sometimes these types of threads are fascinating, and then suddenly you realize, that no matter how close the subject is to your heart, or how much you've tried to be open minded in diseminating your research.......for some it simply boils down to:

I like Rose, I don't believe the evidence...he should be in the Hall.

or....

I don't like Rose, I believe the evidence....keep him out.

Same thing with Nixon, eh?

Well, I think the evidence was very conclusive, and I DO like Rose. But getting in BIGGGGGG debt with Tony Soprano, might lead a manager to start a lesser pitcher, or sleep with Marge Schott..... Sorry!

He'll get in eventually.

Rick