What a load of emotional crap, who said that anyone involved in the G.Bay has been raped, get your terminology right people, modern interrogation methods.

No way would I sanction the rape of any person male or female, try keeping to the point of modern interrogation techniques,not the crap meted out to people in S.American countries, as the introduction of such nonsense takes us away off the point.

The start of this thread referred to, sleep deprivation and psychops that drove people crazy in Northern Ireland.

What drives people crazy is seeing their loved ones lying in the gutter with their brains scattered all over the place, seeing young children reduced to nothing more than mince meat,no imo,unfortunately fact in my experiences. Pick up a victims arms and legs and ask what you would do to prevent the next person ending up like this.

I have personally seen people shoveled into black bags, watched as their families were emotionally tortured by the sight of their loved ones blood splattered all over the place.

Step this murdering up a scale and what came next Sept 11 murders, I blame those who whine because they are the very people giving impetus to such action,they are indirectly condoning it.

Terrorists thrive on the notion if your doing nothing to stop us then your for us, they suck up all this human rights crap to throw it right back in our faces. They are the ones who take away the right of life,over 3000 lives in one go,and threaten more such acts.

Still not one solution is put forward.

And yes certain interrogation methods have paid off so lets get off the no real information band wagon, it has already be pointed out that useful intel has been gathered.

So rather than equate one to the other why not put the blame were it truly lies at the feet of the terrorist.

But then it could be said the torturer/terrorist past or present was doing what he/she thought was right at that time.