"You forgot to add a little tag to your last message, Kevin. "IMO."

Well, I said "I'm sure" in that post at the one point where I could have said "in my opinion". (I never write IMO - everything I say is my opinion, or I wouldn't say it, and I don't use those "acronyms" anyway.)

But is there really anything in that post that you would you disagree with, Doug? Your question suggests that there is, but try as I can, I really can't see what.

I wasn't asserting that, to my knowledge or belief, rape is being used as a method of torture by the US, if that is what you jibbed at, and there's nothing in my post that even suggests that.

My mention of rape was to bring out the point that, just because your enemy engages in an evil practice, that does not mean that it is a good idea to go in for it yourself. Rape is, I still believe, an example of a case where most people would agree that is true, and I'd be surprised if that didn't include you. (And then I reminded us that rape is in fact quite widely used as a method of torture - it was for example in Chile under Pinochet, using German Shepherd/Alsatian dogs.)