busbitter - You are incoherent. Yes, if you can't do better than that, then shut up. Any five year old could say what you've said. I don't want a war, Gareth doesn't want a war; not Teribus, not DougR, not anyone.

Offer us an alternative, please?! So far you've posted nothing that isn't entirely emotional. Sorry, but I don't give a flying fuck for your emotions or your morals. Your morals are another's immorality or amorality. Why should I listen to *your* morality, to your sense of right or wrong?

Offer me facts. If you don't base your beliefs on your facts, you have no argument. The allegedly "pro" war brigade are operating on the basis that this is the least bad option available right here, right *now*.

What is *your* alternative? Put up, or shut up!