Blackcatter wrote:

Oh come on Peg - you say the rules in Hollywood are different and you imply your acceptance of that. Just tell me how far you are willing to let people go? You're the one who said "I am sure he wanted to express the joy of that moment in every way he could." All I was asking is just how far do you think he could have gone before you thought he was going to far? It's a simple question. One you didn't answer.
--You did NOT ask that, not in those words.
And I think the question is an impertinent one. He did what he did and I think speculating further is something not worth doing in ths case.


Do you think that groping her would have been fine? Or was the kiss "just right?"
--Like I said the kiss was lovely. You seem to be projecting your idea of "groping"--perhaps that's what YOU would have done? Kissing and groping, on television and off, are two very different things.





Would it have been ok for him to pat her ass like in the NFL?
--see, now you're just being ridiculous.


Would it have been alright if he had kissed a 15 year old actress - certainly that happens on screen sometimes so it must be alright in Hollywood.
--yeah, why not?


Of course, rape, murder, & incest all happen on screen as well, are those acceptible behaviors for Hollywoodians to do on stage (since you seem to imply little distinction between acting and real life. Or is winning an Oscar just another acting opportunity?
-again, you're being ridiculous. I feel sorry for you if this is the sort of crap on your mind.
And when did I suggest acting and real life were the same? Stop putting words in my mouth.



"I did NOT say you didn't understand, but that perhaps you did not SEE as much of their exchange as I did. But after reading the rest of yoru comments, I think you really do not understand the social subtleties and implications of the situation"

You're right, you didn't say that I didn't understand - until your latest post. Don't you hate it when Troll is right? You disagree with me, so of couse I must not understand.
--no, you do not understand because you apparently have a very skewed view of the world...



Oh and by the way - exactly how are you an expert on what is proper and improper in "Hollywood"?

please.
--well, I work as a film critic and have met and interviewed a number of Hollywood actors and filmmakers....had a lovely conversation with Genevieve Bujold just the other night in fact, and she complimented my singing...so, I do probably have more familiarity with this social milieu than YOU do.

Blues wrote:

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Thank you, Michael Moore!
From: Blues=Life - PM
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 06:53 AM

Peg writes:

"..."stagehands" working gigs like this make union scale wages and have pretty decent working conditions and all sorts of job security from their strong union affiliations.

Moore speaks out for the working class who lose their jobs because of layoffs and downsizing due to corporate greed and efforts to maximize profits (and create huge CEO salaries) at the expense of workers.

These conditions do not tend to affect the entertainment industry's union-scale workers in the same way."




Oh.

I see.

Thanks Peg. I didn't understand. I always thought the term "Working Class" included union workers. And people who work. It's the unemployed worker who USED to work who makes up the working class.
--when did I say that?
My point was that the emphasis of Moore's films is often upon disenfranchised workers (including union workers, as with Roger and Me)--and that union workers in Hollywood and New York (theatre and film) are among those with the best job security and working conditions, so "working class" is not a term that means quite the same thing as it does for workers with more tenuous job security or poorer working conditions. Sorry I did not make that more clear. You seemed to think a Hollywood stagehand at the Oscars was a good example of a "working class" employee and I wanted to point out that such a worker was treated far better by his/her union than most.
And I know this because I have worked alongside these people quite a lot over the years.


Got it.
Thanks.

Blues
--through being sarcastic for now?