Lepus, one of the things you should have learned from the Vietnam experience is that one should never paint with a broad brush. When you characterize the young men and women over there as "thug" and "murderers of innocents" you are doing exactly what the Generals do to us to get us to fight. You are dehumanizing those that you oppose. I know any number of folks that are over there. By my count, Steve has three members of his nuclear family there. For him it is very personal. Were I in his position, I would be on you as well. When you speak in these terms, you are no better than those you oppose.

Mick