Well, I certainly agree with WYSIWYG that their is a certain amount of work that is needed to discuss moral issues without the cemented on stone rhetoric.

But I also remember an old joke from my social worker days;

How many social workers does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer: One, but the bulb wants to be chanhged,

Now I'm sure that folks from both sides of the divide think that this is about the "other" side and I am sure their is some truth in that belief.

But from "my side" it looks like the "other side" appears to have the *power* here and power currupts. Where is the incentives for those who do control the policies to reach out to those who don't and are protesting the brutal use power?

Many of those on our side have tried to bridge the divide only to be rebuffed by those who are calling the shots or support those who are calling the shots.

But we'll keep a candle lit in the window just the same.

Peace is a two way street......

Bobert