All good, except I've never done the herb, Bobert! And, hte Why me? went a long time ago.

Just got off the phone with one of the others who reminded me that some of this is the way it is because of chronic pain and inability or no desire to take many types of drugs including aspirin and other painkillers. Not just myself but one of them, too. I know of exercises which help, but it is difficult to do them when one feels like shit, esp. when one hasn't slept in 3 nights!

Just venting and reading your suggestions is helpful and good reminders for me in the midst of a "bad patch." Thanks a bunch!