Doug, it's really pathetic that you can think of no other way to debate your points than to make incorrect assumptions and assertions about fellow Mudcatters.

Our opposition to the war has nothing to do with saddam and everything to do with how shrub alienated the entire world by how he went about it.

kat, the world, in case you hadn't noticed, was already against us so I fail to see how this will increase the chances of terrorism. They couldn't be much more jealous or hate us much more than they do already and so what? The world now knows that hwtaever terrorists may do, we will survive and come out the stronger for it. And we WILL find them. It may take years but we will find them.

The world didn't hate us so much until shrub started his chest-beating, we're going to conquer the world rhetoric and his complete and utter disregard for the UN and for the nations of the world over the past two years. It will take a very long time to mend those relationships and I, for one, believe they are very important. Do you really want our country to the Big Bully - Lone Gunman, hated and terrorist-prone for many years to come? Do you believe that we will "find" the terrorists in our own country whether they fit the current Arab profile or not? Do you want all of our young people to be continually sacrificed while shrub et alia continue their megalomanical world domination campaign? Do you have any hope of peace throughout the world within your heart, or even a desire for such? shurb has done nothing to promote such and, imo, never will. One never even hears him speak the word, let alone seek to promote peace.

The curse of me and my nation is that we always think things can be bettered by immediate action of some sort, any sort rather than no sort.~ Ezra Pound ~