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Thread #58674   Message #931635
Posted By: Troll
12-Apr-03 - 04:20 AM
Thread Name: BS: The real George Bush
Subject: RE: BS: The real George Bush
Racist? HOW DARE YOU! Simply because I state a truth that you and yours don't want to face, I'm a racist?
Just what definition of racism are you using. Please post it because I want to be sure I understand the perjorative terms you throw around so loosely.
I am well aware that there are Arab Americans who are upset because their families back in the old country don't love America. Do you honestly think that the Arab states would have hated us any less if we hadn't taken Saddam Hussein down? Remember, most of them didn't have a whole lot of use for him.
The Arab World hates us because our culture (western) supplanted theirs as the dominant culture in the world. It happened a long time ago but they are still chaffing about it. Remember when George Bush used the word "crusade" just after 9/11? The Arab World went apeshit. And that was 1,000years ago. And in the end they WON. They have long memories and they long for past glories. Thats why they hate us. America reminds them of what they once were.
As far as advocating more restraint and diplomacy, what did 12 years of restraint and diplomacy get us? Nothing, zip, nada. Anything that would have left Saddam Hussein in power to keep murdering his own people is appeasment in my book. You can put whatever face on it you like. It won't change the fact that allowing a regeim like that to continue as long as it did is a stain on the character of every decent person in the world.. It will not be soon erased.
I do not favor deficit spending. I pay as I go and I feel that states and nations should do the same. Deficit spending is not new and it will continue as long as the public allows it to.
I didn't sidestep your "questions". I ignored them because I felt that they were rhetorical. Yes I want peace. But not at the cost of freedom. The people of North Korea have peace. Is that what you want for the world?
I do not believe that Bush et al are bent on world domination. If they are, they are going about it all wrong.
As for the UN, it's a joke and has make itself so by it's total inability to accomplish anything in the last 12 years with regard to Iraq and Saddam Husseins flouting of it's resolutions or most of the worlds ignoring of it's sanctions. It wouldn't go into Rwanda (Clinton didn't want to) or Kosovo. Fortunately, Clinton grew some backbone and we went in under the auspices of NATO and stopped the slaughter. BTW, I didn't notice much protest when that happened.
The UNSC has proven itself irrelevant time after time. The US is the only country that has EVERsought UN approval for a war. Out of the 27 international conflicts since its founding in 1945, Only the US has asked -and been granted- "permission" by the UNSC. Korea, Gulf War I, and Afghanistan.
The rest of the time, It has been ignored. And it has done nothing!
So don't preach the glorious UN to me. I see it for what it is; a failure.
Getting back to the peace question, you don't achieve peace by letting bullies like Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-Il, Assad, or any dictator have free rein and you don't stop their depredations by dipolmacy. Those prople don't bargain unless they have no other choice and then they will promise anything (a'la Saddam Hussein in '91) to gain breathing room. You'd think people would learn that you can't bargain with people like Saddam Hussein or Hitler. But no, they keep right on trying, sticking their chin out and getting it knocked off.

troll