I hope you did not interpret my post that way, musicmic. I had intended it to sound polite and temperate. My point was that unreasonable circumstances give rise to unreasonable movements - and even terrorists. I like the terrorists about as much as you do, but I see the struggle against them as being a very long term project. Bush's empty rhetoric is concerned with nothing but the symptons. If people feel they have no redress against monstrous injustice through the international law courts or through international law, they are likely to observe only their own laws. The suicide bombers feel that they have nothing more to lose in this world and that they have no hope of achieving justice through the United Nations. The recent cavalier disregard shown to the UN Security Council will not improve the situation either. For me, terrorists are essentially the Orcs of this world. They simply have to be eliminated. However, there is no long term solution in killing terrorists if new ones are being raised daily. That is why it is so desperately urgent that clean water, medication and food gets into the worst deprived Arab areas as soon as possible. It is cheaper than fighting wars.