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Thread #59852   Message #961989
Posted By: Nerd
30-May-03 - 12:45 PM
Thread Name: Folklore: Oak Trees in Folklore
Subject: RE: Folklore: Oak Trees in Folklore
Daylia,

The problem in your information from the website on "legends of Robin Hood" is that, not surprisingly, it's a load of codswallop! It takes evidence from the Renaissance and claims that evidence is pre-Christian. But there is no evidence whatsoever that anything in pre-Christian times was called "Robin Hood's Bower."

What happened in the opinion of most scholars was that in the 15th and 16th centuries, the existing ballads and plays of Robin Hood were absorbed into the Mayday tradition of folk plays and dances. This is where the character was combined with Friar Tuck and Maid Marian, who were originally separate characters with no connection to Robin Hood. In the May Games, as they were called, Robin Hood became a central figure, and thus became associated with Mayday and with whatever remnants of Beltaine were still being practiced. This is when "Robin Hood's Bowers" would have come into being. But there is no evidence of either the name Robin Hood or any connection between that name and Mayday before the high middle ages.

Just what evidence the site claims to have that any of this was pre-Christian I don't know. I assume they have no evidence but use the usual squishy historical logic as follows:

Premise 1: "Robin Hood was associated with mayday in the sixteenth century"

Premise 2: "Some aspects of the sixteenth century Mayday celebrations were based on ancient Celtic fire festivals"

Conclusion: Robin Hood was a character worshipped in ancient Celtic fire festivals!

This kind of poor deduction is used all too commonly by bad historians, especially where ancient Celtic lore is concerned!