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Thread #48931   Message #962358
Posted By: Malcolm Douglas
30-May-03 - 11:44 PM
Thread Name: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
280 HARTHACN  BATTLE OF LARGS (Hardyknute) This is the same as HARDYKNUTE (BATTLE OF LARGS). Lesley Nelson originally posted just the 3 verses given in Songs of Scotland vol II (presumably the Myles Foster book; the date Lesley quotes is for vol. I, edited by Pitman and Brown, which was some years earlier, I think). Subsequently she added further verses from the Scots Musical Museum. See thread LYR & MUS ADD: Hurdyknute - what date?, where Lesley posted miditext and abc for the tune as printed in SOS, and Bruce also posted abcs from SMM and two others. The SOS tune is identical to SMM apart from slightly different gracenotes in two places and was likely adapted from it.

The texts in both DT files are identical, but different extracts from the original thread have been copied into each. Notes in BATTLE OF LARGS (Hardyknute) are vague and not terribly coherent or helpful; this would be the redundant file, then, and an obvious candidate for deletion. The midi at Mudcat Midis was generated by nwc and as usual note-values are set incorrectly for other midi editors, but the midi it was edited from (Lesley's; the arrangement is that from SOS, and source ought to be indicated at the midi pages) is nearly ok, though for some reason she has altered the barring and transposed the tune down three steps without indicating the appropriate new key signature.

You might have been better off with the abc Bruce supplied, but there is a mistake in it. I'll add a standard-format midi from the notation in SMM with the next batch.


359 ERICDAU3  BIRTH OF ROBIN HOOD (C)

This is a duplicate of  BIRTH OF ROBIN HOOD C

Text from the Kinloch MSS, V, 330 f. No tune was noted. Both files fail to mention Child's rather important note: "the last two stanzas of Douglass Dale". The Kinloch text of Douglass Dale (Child 101, Willie o Douglas Dale) had those two verses stuck on the end. That version (Child 101C) has no tune, but two others are known. Both are in Bronson. I sent in a midi for the text in the DT (Willy o' Douglas Dale from Mrs Brown of Falkland, though the source information hasn't been added to the online DT) nearly 3 years ago, but it's not at the old or new Midi pages so far as I can see.


1521 GOODLUCK  THE GOOD LUCK SHIP. Text from a Peter Bellamy record. Peter learned the song from Harry Cox of Catfield, Norfolk; it's a relative of  THE ROYAL OAK (Roud 951). Midi made from notation in The Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society, vol V (no.1) 1946, p.20 (noted by Francis M. Collinson, 1945/6).