Oh maybe, just maybe, this will get me moving at my back 'patio'. Once upon a time someone put a kidney shaped piece of concrete around the back of the house and the very small back porch. It's awkward and unsightly and I just keep moving to the back garden and working where I get more reinforcement. Your efforts sound wonderful, congradulations.... It's raining here in Jersey today, AGAIN... so maybe I'll reread your initail post and try to figure out a plan.

Tinker