Exactly what point have I missed Don? I was merely answering the question posed by TIA.

By way of addressing some of the points you have raised:

I most definitely am not, ".. trying to put them down by judging them by the standards of current times rather than the standards of their own times?" - illustrated by the reference to "their (founding fathers) yardstick"

Even judged, "by the standards of the century in which they lived, they were true visionaries." True hypocrits more like, considering that both documents were written in plain english. The phrase, "All men are created equeal" meant the same then as it does now. Furthermore, you don't have to be that much of a visionary, to copy the works of others or to adopt their ideas. Your Declaration of Independence and your Constitution were loosely based on an older document, the Magna Carta, and updated massively according to the works of a Frenchman, Voltaire, and an Englishman, Thomas Payne.

Your, "Flawed men" and flawed they undoubtedly were (as you, yourself quite rightly quote "Let he who is without sin. . . ."), wrote a couple of documents that have stood the United States of America in good stead for over two centuries now - provided that you were the right sort of American.

As for your comment - "Just because the current administration finds these documents damned inconvenient is no reason to condone wadding them up and flushing them down the toilet!" - Apart from FDR's successive administrations, I don't think that there has been one administration that hasn't found those documents damned inconvenient at times.