Hi Fred,

My point about communication may not have been well made. I'm not suggesting that communication be unsubtle and needing a bit of effort to understand. I just don't want it mired in impossibility.
My son has this fascination for a band called Rammstein, a techno gothic powerhouse from Germany. Musically incredible stuff. Their songs are all sung in German and often screamed to the point of added indecipherability. I suspect in Germany where the language is uderstood the words have meaning.
But I speak no German nor does Greg so neither of us have a clue as to what is being said. The only communication that has happened here is "If you wanna know what is being said, learn German."
The music is powerful and it creates great rhythmic emotion. Is that the message that is being sent? I don't know but it may be. I'm a word guy. For me there is no message or meaning out side the words.
I don't know that I am ready to accept that emotion can be a message .   Certainly Beethoven could plunge emotion to great depths and lift it to great heights all in the same piece.
   So if emotion can be a message then communication has to be on physical level. But pure communication where information is passed from one person to another has to be understandable by both parties.
Like a speach impaired person running down a hotel hallway signing "FIRE!" and everyone burns to death but him. Did communication take place?
I don't imagine I've made my point any clearer but I sure hope I've opened a real fun debate.

Don