Bobert posted:

And they own the media which manipulates public opinion as craftily as a surgeon. They know how to show their guys screw ups so that it will have the least negative effect. They know how, when things are getting a little out of hand, to create diversions.

I agree with you totally -- but consider the good news! Even though they own the media, Bush is still dropping in the polls, more and more people are complaining, more and more of his (and their) machinations are coming to light. They may control the media, but they can't seem to control themselves, and this is having an effect.

You also said:

These folks are practically unbeatable and when you do beat them they have lots and lots of lawyers to screw with you. Like intervening in the vote brokering between the Gore and Nader camps. And they paid hired goon squads to be in Florida just hours after the polls closed to intimidate poll workers. And we all know the rest...

This is more worrisome. But given what happened in Florida last election, there are bound to be more watchdogs on the next election, and they would have to be much more blatant to carry anything off. They had the advantage of surprise and novelty the first time -- this time their tricks will be expected.

The main thing that worries me is the computerized voting machines you have.