The point about this is that whether this licensee wishes to continue or not - must be a matter for them and there may be good reason why they may not.

However there is nothing preventing the many supporters of these sessions from making sure that sessions in this form - can take place in other premises now, under current legislation and the new - without advanced permission from the licensing authority.

I would suggest that they simply must do this - as without concerted and continuing local efforts - the little progress that has been gained over the past two years - in trying to enable sessions etc - is in danger of being lost.

It is interesting that Howells - when he was the Minister- considered the example he quoted as 'incidental' and 'spontanous' - so this does provide enough ammunition to tackle any official who would wishes to impose a different view.

It would appear that the local authority concerned here does wish to impose a different view - if so this MUST be challenged. Not by banning councillors but by making them work to represent the views and wishes of those who elect them and holding policies that reflect this. It is a bit like 'pulling teeth' but vital to keep on trying..........