The whole argument against the need for blanket entertainment licensing of all live music is based on the fact that exsisting legislation is already in place to deal with all the potential problems.

The reason these current measure are not more widely used, is mainly because the blunt tool of the current Licensing regime, is preferred as a more profitable if unfocused and less effective method.

Gareth - I don't really see that if your position, (and the standing of the Labour Party), is to have any respectabilty at all - that you could have ignored my post (as many Labour MPs have just ignored many letters to them and just as many plain facts).

The main point of Hamish's entirely rational and detailed comment was to finally demonstrate the following - in reference to your two points.

They are emphatically NOT an innovation of the Licensing Act 2003.

When you had earier, incorrectly and just as empatically stated - with no evidence provided:

Nice try Shambles - Unfortunately for your argument Points 1 & 2 are as a result of this Act.

Perhaps if you wish to have a quiet life - and unlike your political masters - you could just apolgise for your mistake and for misleading anyone reading your post - as to what the true facts are.

I am afraid the 'Googly - Gook' words you used - about what your understanding was - will not be enough to prevent you from being seen as attempting to peddle 'myths', in true 'Howellsian' fashion.

Despite your waffle - do you understand and accept now Gareth - that the measures you refer to - were not introduced into legislation as a result of this Act?

If you finally do understand this - perhaps you would be kind and gracious enough to simply say so here - in plain words?

I may go on to address the points about how we come to terms with the Act - but there is little point in that if as a starting point- we do not understand what is in it - or what is NOT. Especially as some of us - like Gareth (and for reasons best known to him), seem determined to continue to try and mislead others, as to what the Act contains.