That was my point Wolfgang - mensch is inclusive, and I'd argue that the same is true of analogous terms in Emnglish. Not "manly", but definitely "manlike" (in relation to apes for exmple), and the word man itself, except where the context clearly inducates it only refers to males.

This is drift, but drift ain't such a bad thing in a thread where sticking to closely to the original topic tends to gives rise to bad blood.

I think in working over the past we risk forgetting the truth, which is that pretty well everyone who has posted here would wish to see a future in which the various peoples involved will live alongside each other in peace and tolerance - even if we disagree about the precise details of how we can imagine this coming about, or even what it might look like in terms of politcal borders and so forth. And that is not an attitude which is compatable with anti-semitism or any kind of sectarian or racial antagonism (which are not the same as hostility towards particular policies).