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Cornish Anthem

Wotcha 20 Nov 99 - 11:03 AM
roopoo 20 Nov 99 - 11:34 AM
wildlone 20 Nov 99 - 11:42 AM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Nov 99 - 11:58 AM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM
Kernow John 20 Nov 99 - 12:16 PM
Kernow John 20 Nov 99 - 04:14 PM
Wotcha 21 Nov 99 - 11:25 AM
GUEST,Cornishman... 14 Nov 05 - 07:28 PM
Effsee 14 Nov 05 - 10:12 PM
mg 15 Nov 05 - 12:40 AM
GUEST 15 Nov 05 - 07:48 AM
Paul Burke 15 Nov 05 - 08:00 AM
GUEST,ray padgett 15 Nov 05 - 08:04 AM
greg stephens 15 Nov 05 - 08:19 AM
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Subject: Cornish Anthem
From: Wotcha
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 11:03 AM

I couldn't find a source in the DT, but here are few words of the Cornish "anthem" I picked up. Appreciate any infomation on the song and its origins:

"Give me a good song, and a trusty hand/ These are the words that Parson Hawker sang/ A tribute to this far western land/ An anthem sung for every Cornish man..."

Cheers, Brian


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: roopoo
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 11:34 AM

I'm not Cornish, but it looks like a version of the "Song of the Western Men", sometimes known as "Trelawney" Goes something like: (Chorus) A good sword and a trusty hand A merry heart and true King James's men shall understand What Cornish lads can do

And have they set the where and when? And shall Trelawney die? Here's twenty thousand Cornish men Shall know the reason why

We'll cross the Tamar land to land The Severn is no stay ...

and then I can't remember how it goes. Hopefully a real Cornish person will put you right and know the anthem you have found. mouldy


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: wildlone
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 11:42 AM

I have a copy of "The song of the Western Men" somwhere I will try to dig it out and post it unless some one else does.wl.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 11:58 AM

A good sword and a trusty hand A merry heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
what Cornish Lads can do
And have they fixed the where and when
and shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
shall know the reason why!
A good sword and a trusty hand A merry heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
what Cornish Lads can do

Outspake their captain brave and bold
A merry wight was he
"If London Tow'r were Micjael's hold,
we'd set Trelawney free!
We'll cross the Tamar, land to land
The Severn is no stay
With "one and All" and hand in hand,
and who shall bid us nay?
A good sword and a trusty hand A merry heart and true!
"If London Tow'r were Michael's hold,
we'd set Trelawney free

And when we come to London Wall
A pleasant sight to view,
"Come forth, come forth ye cowards all,
here's men as good as you!
Trelawny he's in keep and hold
Trelawny he may die
But twenty thousand Cornish bold
will know the reason why!
And when we come to London Wall
A pleasant sight to view,
"Come forth, come forth ye cowards all,
here's men as good as you!

"Poem rewritten by Rev. R.S.Hawkes", according to the New Natuional Song Book, published by Boosey and Hawkes many years ago. To be sung "with spirit" it says.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM

But haveing put that it, I don't think it's the song you are after (I crosschecked with the anthem thread)- I reckon you're after the one that goes something like


Cornish lads are fishermen
and Cornish lads are miners too
But when the fish and tin is gone,
what are the Cornish lads to do?

If it's not in the DT, than it would be a worthy addition. But the name of the man that wrote it slips away, as do the rest of the words.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Kernow John
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 12:16 PM

Wotcha The song you are looking for is the Tregarten Anthem written by Mike O'Connor.
I've just got back from Truro so will type in later words and music coming up. I'll put it on a Lyr Add thread.
Regards Baz


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Kernow John
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 04:14 PM

McGrath of Harlow
The Cornish Lads you mention is by Roger Bryant and is on the Forum but not yet added to the datbase.
But thanks for mentioning it as it reminds me I meant to post a tune.
Regards Baz


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Wotcha
Date: 21 Nov 99 - 11:25 AM

Wow:

BAZ, thanks for all the Cornish scholarship; we all the richer for your help on these Cornish threads ... now if only I could find a Humus Pasty!!

Cheers, Brian


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: GUEST,Cornishman...
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 07:28 PM

Well...
Just to say...
The real Cornish Anthem is 'Trelawney'. Which is a variation on The Song of the Western Men.
Yours,
Wes.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Effsee
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 10:12 PM

Why should England tremble?....Mebian Kernow!


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: mg
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 12:40 AM

Who is Cornish here? I am wondering if I might be a bit. My grandmother's name was Cornwall. Is that a Cornish name or is it perhaps something that got mixed up at Ellis Island? They lived in Michigan. I don't know much about the family. I always heard they were mostly Welsh on my mother's side of the family (Williams) .   any insight? mg


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 07:48 AM

And shall Trelawney live, or shall Trelawney die?
heres twenty thousand cronish men shall know the reason why


This is the chorus


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Paul Burke
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:00 AM

I know people get pretty weatherbeaten in Cornwall, but calling them "cronish" is going too far.

the somewhat eccentric Parson Hawker of Morwenstowe, he traduced by Baring Gould, seems to have written most of the Trelawney poem/song, the only traditional bit being the "shall Trelawney die/ here's 20000 Cornishmen shall know the reason why".


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: GUEST,ray padgett
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:04 AM

used to sing this Trelawney song via radio at school

William Appleby, lot to answer for!!

Ray

Mike Nicholson sang the 'Cornish lads are fishermen and Cornish lads are miners too', excellent song at Barnsley FC I had heard it before but an excellent song as Cornish anthem in my opinion


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:19 AM

In answer to a question a couple of posts back "Who is Cornish here?"
I am!!!!


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Polly Squeezebox
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 05:53 PM

If home is where the heart is - then place my home/heart firmly in West Penwith, Cornwall. Well, half of it anyway - the other half belongs to the Austrian/Bavarian border. So what am I doing living in Wiltshire? - waiting for retirement and the chance to spend my days where my heart sings.


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Subject: RE: Cornish Anthem
From: Cats
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 04:54 AM

Depends what you mean by Cornish. In the last census Cornish was a category of ethnicity, qualifying period living 10 years here minimum. As I've been here for over 25 years, that means I qualify ~ but I'm not Cornish born. My heart is here, I have ancestors in the grave yards here, but I'm the first of my family to come back for over 300 years. Couldn't live anywhere else though. It's the land of my heart and the land of my choice and one I am extremely proud to be associated with. Find us at any festival ~ we're the ones flying the Cornish flag from our campervan!


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