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Lyr Req: Horn Fair

GUEST,BIG Malc - Super folkie 12 Nov 00 - 11:13 AM
Quincy 13 Nov 00 - 06:38 AM
Malcolm Douglas 13 Nov 00 - 10:32 AM
nutty 13 Nov 00 - 11:06 AM
Chris Flint 13 Nov 00 - 05:10 PM
GUEST,bigJ 13 Nov 00 - 07:08 PM
Malcolm Douglas 13 Nov 00 - 07:36 PM
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GUEST,BIG Malc 15 Nov 00 - 11:07 PM
Alan of Australia 15 Dec 00 - 10:53 PM
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Subject: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: GUEST,BIG Malc - Super folkie
Date: 12 Nov 00 - 11:13 AM

Any help on the lyrics for 'Horn Fair' would be greatly appreciated, subject line is first line of verse.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: Quincy
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 06:38 AM

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Subject: Lyr Add: HORN FAIR
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 10:32 AM

HORN FAIR

This fragment appears in Charles Kightly's The Customs and Ceremonies of Britain (Thames and Hudson, 1986):

If you would see Horn Fair you must walk on your way
I will not let you ride on my grey mare today
You'd rumple all my muslin and uncurl my hair
And leave me all distressed to be seen at Horn Fair.

Oh fairest of damsels, how can you say No?
With you I intend to Horn Fair for to go
We'll join the finest company when we do go there
With horns on their heads, boys, the finest at the fair.

Kightly gives no source or tune.  He considers the song to refer to Ebernoe Horn Fair (West Sussex), which takes place on St. James' Day, 25th July; it was revived in its present form, as a cricket match and sheep-roast, in 1864.  Roy Palmer, however (Bushes and Briars: Folk Songs collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams; Dent 1983/ Llanerch 1999), links it with the better-known Horn Fair of Charlton (Kent, 18th October), which was suppressed in 1874, but has apparantly recently been revived.  Vaughan Williams had a set of the song from Frederick Teal of Kingsfold, Surrey, in 1904:

As I was a-walking one morning in spring,
So soft blew the winds and the leaves growing green,
I met a pretty damsel [all] on a grey mare,
As she was a-riding on to Horn Fair.

I asked this pretty damsel for to let me ride,
"Oh no"; then: "Oh no, my mammy would sigh;
And besides my old daddy would bid me for sure,
And never let me ride on the grey mare any more.

"I can find by your talk you're for one game of play,
But you will not ride me or my grey mare today.
You will rumple my muslin and uncurl my hair,
And I shouldn't be fit to be seen when I get to Horn Fair".

"O, O my pretty damsel, how can you say so,
Since it is my intention Horn Fair to go?
We will join the best of company when we do get there,
With horns on our heads as fine as our hair".

There were the finest of horns as ever you did behold,
There were the finest horns as were gilded with gold;
And ride merry, merry, merrily Horn Fair we did go,
Like jolly, brisk couples, boys, and all in a row.

Another version, from Janet Blunt's ms., was published in The Folk Music Journal (EFDSS, vol.3 no.2, 1976). She gave no source for it.

As I was a-riding all on to Horn Fair,
So green was the meadow and keen was the air:
There I met a pretty fair maid all by the green mere shore,
As I was a-riding all on to Horn Fair.

I said, "My pretty fair maid will you get up and ride?"
"Oh no," says the fair maid, "for I am afraid;
For it's for my old daddy, he'll beat me full sore,
And he'll never let me go to Horn Fair any more".

"It's for your old daddy you need not to fear,
Come sit down pretty fair maid, and I'll buy of your wear,
And away to Horn Fair, my boy, so merrily we will go
To see our jovial company all round in a row."


Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: nutty
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 11:06 AM

This is a super song - has anyone a tune? - I would love to sing it


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: Chris Flint
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 05:10 PM

Etchingham Steam band perform a version (Shirley Collins Ashley Hutchings Vic Gammon Terry Potter etc.) recorded it on a cd 'The Etchingham Steam Band' Fledgling Records PO box 547 London CD no FLED 3002

Chris


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: GUEST,bigJ
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 07:08 PM

It's also on one of John Howson's Veteran Tapes sung, I think, by Jeff Wesley. See his website.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 07:36 PM

On A Sweet Country Life: Sussex family songs by Bob Lewis (Veteran Tapes VT120).  Veteran's website (which is rather difficult to search) is here:  Veteran releases.
BR> I have tunes for the second two versions above, and will send midis to Alan for the  Mudcat Midi Pages.  They may take a while to appear, so Nutty; if you'd like staff notation in the meantime (or midis, for that matter), send me a personal message with your email address and I'll send you the music.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 07:38 PM

John Howsons site is www.oldhatmusic.freeserve.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: GUEST,BIG Malc
Date: 15 Nov 00 - 11:07 PM

Many thanks for your help every one especiay Malcolm Douglas who must sp[end hours searching through his books music notation appreciated if pos

macolm_janet_roberts@msn.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'if you would see horn fair'
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 10:53 PM

G'day,
Thanks to Malcolm two tunes for "If You Would See Horn Fair" can be found at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan


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