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Songs of Faith

25 Feb 98 - 12:39 AM
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BAZ 25 Feb 98 - 06:13 PM
alison 26 Feb 98 - 12:33 AM
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Gloria Tham 26 Feb 98 - 08:12 AM
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Alan of Australia 27 Feb 98 - 05:46 PM
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Subject: Songs of Faith
From:
Date: 25 Feb 98 - 12:39 AM

I am looking for traditional English(and to a lesser extent Irish & Scottish) folk hymns, songs of faith, ritual songs, etc. that would be great for church settings, youth groups, etc. Interested in songs, lyrics, sources of songs, personal favorites, etc. All ideas are welcome. I have a good repertoire of Midwinter & Christmas stuff but am looking for songs that can be sung anytime.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
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Date: 25 Feb 98 - 01:46 PM

Try this site:
http://hot.virtual-pc.com/guitar/mainframe.htm


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From:
Date: 25 Feb 98 - 01:50 PM

TRY THIS: Click on the FORUM SEARCH BLOCK...

ENTER [ URL ] in the BODY block...leave others blank

and wait a bit.....then look around...


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Feb 98 - 04:03 PM

Hi - Take a look in the BACK pages of hymnals from most of the mainstream churches, and look for the sources of hymns. The older the hymnal, the better. You can find some real gems in the Methodist and Episcopalian and Lutheran hymnals.
One favorite of mine that was discussed in another thread is "I Heard the Voice of Jesus Say," which has the same tune as "Star of County Down." I made lots of points with our Irish-born priest last Sunday by singing that. Maybe now would be a good time to hit him up for more money to buy music...
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Marc B
Date: 25 Feb 98 - 05:57 PM

To Joe,

Thanks for the method. As it happens I spent a good bit of time today doing exactly as you suggested with my Methodist and Episcopal hymnals. God bless Ralph Vaughn Williams. A number of tunes to "Star of County Down" and "Forest Green"

I should have mentioned that I was familiar with that source and am hoping for things beyond what's in the hymnals. But tonight I'm going through my "old" hymnals!

I led a piece at Christmas from the Methodist hymnal called "I Sing a Song of Bethlehem" also to the tune of County Down. Good song.

God bless. Marc


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: BAZ
Date: 25 Feb 98 - 06:13 PM

Joe you had better luck than I did on Sunday. When my wife and I sang I Heard The Voice of Jesus Say the Organist complained that I'd changed the tune slightly.I did say that I thought it might be the new Methodist Hymn book that had changed the tune. By the way at Christmas you could try O Little town of Bethlehem to the same tune I did this year and the children loved it!

Good luck with the search Marc if you come up with anything perhaps you could let us know.
Regards Baz.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: alison
Date: 26 Feb 98 - 12:33 AM

Hi,

There are usually quite a few hymns set to the tune "O Waly Waly" (better known as "The Water is wide".

Another nice one is to do "I heard the voice of Jesus say" to the tune of "Mary from Dungloe".

Then of course there's "There is a green hill far away", to "the house of the rising sun." There's quite a few to "Londerry air" or "Danny boy" too.

Some beautiful old Irish tunes are "Moville", "Durrow", and "Clonmacnoise"(used for the 2nd part of St Patrick's breastplate..... "Christ be in me, Christ within me....etc." Have a go looking in the index of tunes, like Joe already suggested.

I used to play church organ and was always trying to find good tunes, so please let us know if you find any.

Slainte

Alison


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Subject: Tune Add: CLONMACNOISE
From: alison
Date: 26 Feb 98 - 12:38 AM

Hi,

Here's "Clonmacnoise" (which by the way was a moanstery founded in 548 and abandoned in 1552, on the banks of the river Shannon.)Brilliant ruins!!!

MIDI file: CLONMAC.MID

Timebase: 480

Name: CLONMACNOISE
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Key: D
Tempo: 080 (750000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
0960 1 59 043 0238 0 59 043 0002 1 62 042 0238 0 62 042 0002 1 64 052 0478 0 64 052 0002 1 64 063 0478 0 64 063 0002 1 62 057 0238 0 62 057 0002 1 64 062 0238 0 64 062 0002 1 67 057 0478 0 67 057 0002 1 69 065 0478 0 69 065 0002 1 74 043 0241 0 74 043 0014 1 73 054 0216 1 71 039 0225 0 73 054 0478 0 71 039 0002 1 67 048 0481 0 67 048 0008 1 66 053 0238 0 66 053 0002 1 66 056 0238 0 66 056 0002 1 64 058 0478 0 64 058 0002 1 62 049 0478 0 62 049 0002 1 59 041 0238 0 59 041 0002 1 62 041 0238 0 62 041 0002 1 64 034 0478 0 64 034 0002 1 64 056 0478 0 64 056 0002 1 62 054 0238 0 62 054 0002 1 64 036 0238 0 64 036 0002 1 67 055 0478 0 67 055 0002 1 69 049 0478 0 69 049 0002 1 74 046 0238 0 74 046 0002 1 73 031 0238 0 73 031 0002 1 71 037 0478 0 71 037 0002 1 67 044 0478 0 67 044 0002 1 66 049 0249 1 66 045 0004 0 66 049 0480 0 66 045 0000 1 64 045 0478 0 64 045 0002 1 64 053 0478 0 64 053 0002 1 71 035 0238 0 71 035 0002 1 71 039 0238 0 71 039 0002 1 74 046 0489 1 71 053 0493 0 74 046 0464 1 69 047 0478 0 71 053 0238 0 69 047 0002 1 71 039 0234 1 74 059 0238 0 71 039 0485 1 76 044 0506 0 74 059 0478 0 76 044 0002 1 76 042 0238 0 76 042 0002 1 76 064 0238 0 76 064 0002 1 74 055 0475 0 74 055 0014 1 67 067 0471 1 69 060 0487 0 67 067 0215 1 67 069 0241 0 69 060 0249 0 67 069 0000 1 64 047 0478 0 64 047 0002 1 62 051 0478 0 62 051 0002 1 59 051 0238 0 59 051 0002 1 62 049 0238 0 62 049 0002 1 64 047 0478 0 64 047 0002 1 64 056 0477 1 62 055 0481 0 64 056 0238 0 62 055 0020 1 64 052 0203 1 67 054 0225 0 64 052 0480 1 69 055 0518 0 67 054 0478 0 69 055 0002 1 74 052 0238 0 74 052 0002 1 73 044 0238 0 73 044 0002 1 71 043 0478 0 71 043 0002 1 67 037 0478 0 67 037 0002 1 66 051 0238 0 66 051 0002 1 66 039 0238 0 66 039 0002 1 64 042 0478 0 64 042 0002 1 64 052 0521 0 64 052
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the January 15 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:CLONMACNOISE
M:3/4
Q:1/4=80
K:D
B,D|E2E2DE|G2A2dc|B2G2FF|E2D2B,D|E2E2DE|G2A2dc|
B2G2F|FE2E2BB|d2B2AB|d2e2ee|d2G2AG|E2D2B,D|
E2E2DE|G2A2dc|B2G2FF|E2E9/4||

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Gloria Tham
Date: 26 Feb 98 - 08:12 AM

Alison, Hope you won't mind naming some of the hymns that can be sung to the tune of 'O Waly Waly'. I only know one that is 'When I Survey The Wondrous Cross' which I intend to do for a choir presentation this Lent. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: alison
Date: 26 Feb 98 - 06:03 PM

Hi,

"O God, thy life creating love,""O loving father to thy care we give again this child of thine." (Both in the baptism section of the Presbyterian hymnbook.), and ""Tis winter now: the fallen snow,". all sung to "O Waly waly."

While having a look I found one in "Mission Praise" to the tune of "Blow the wind Southerly" called "Spirit of Holiness."

"Spirit of Holiness, wisdom, and faithfulness,

Wind of the Lord blowing strongly and free,

Strength of our serving and joy of our worshipping

Spirit of God bring your fulness to me."

There are 2 verses too, let me know if you can't find them.

And for those of you country fans, there's "The church is wherever God's people are praising" to the tune of "The streets of Laredo".

Slainte

Alison


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN LOVE IS FOUND^^
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 27 Feb 98 - 05:46 PM

G'day,
Here's one we used at my daughter's wedding:-

WHEN LOVE IS FOUND

Words by Brian Wren, 1978

Tune: Waly Waly/The Water is Wide

When love is found and hope comes home,
Sing and be glad that two are one.
When love explodes and fills the sky,
Praise God and share our Maker's joy.

When love has flowered in trust and care,
Build both each day, that love may dare
To reach beyond home's warmth and light,
To serve and strive for truth and right.

When love is tried as loved ones change,
Hold still to hope though all seems strange,
Till ease returns, and love grows wise
Through listening ears and opened eyes.

When love is torn and trust betrayed,
Pray strength to love till torments fade
Till lovers keep no score of wrong,
But hear through pain love's Easter song.

Praise God for love, praise God for life,
In age or youth, in husband, wife,
Lift up your hearts, let love be fed
Through death and life in broken bread.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: alison
Date: 27 Feb 98 - 07:09 PM

Hi,

Another nice one is "Spirit of God unseen as the wind, gentle as is the dove...", (it was in "Sing to God", and is done to the tune of the "Skye Boat song", (Speed bonny boat.)

Slainte

Alison


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: dwditty
Date: 28 Feb 98 - 06:36 AM

A great source for songs of faith is Hymnsys. This product contains over 700 hyms and displays the words while playing the music. You may select to hear the parts either alone or in any combination. This feature was invaluable to me when I first joined the church choir and had no idea how to sing (in my case) the tenor line. The songs are indexed by Title, First Line, Topic, Word (search), Author/Composer, and Tune. A click of the mouse takes you to the scripture from which the hymn was taken and also to biographies of the author and composer. Altogether, a very useful program for anyone invloved in church music.
For more info: www.hymnsys.com/hymnsys.htm

Enjoy!

DWDitty


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
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Date: 28 Feb 98 - 07:27 PM

On another thread someone asked for the lyrics for Somewhere Along The Road. Iv'e sung this in Chapel and it was well received. It may not have been the intention when Rick lemp wrote it but the lyrics are very applicable.
BAZ


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: BAZ
Date: 28 Feb 98 - 07:29 PM

Lemp???? Should have said Rick Kemp - BAZ


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 28 Feb 98 - 10:03 PM

G'day,
The Australian Hymn Book has quite a few hymns, traditional and set to trad tunes.

e.g. From thee all skill and science flow (Dives & Lazarus/Star of the County Down) words by Charles Kingsley 1819-75

Kneels at the feet of his friends by Tom Colvin (c.1965) set to a Ghana folk melody.

I bind unto myself today/Christ be with me - attributed to St Patrick. etc. etc.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Alice
Date: 28 Feb 98 - 10:11 PM

Morning Has Broken


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Whippoorwill
Date: 02 Mar 98 - 11:08 AM

My favorite lyrics to Londonderry Air are Dotty Rambo's "He Looked Beyond My Fault and Saw My Need."

And try "Amazing Grace" to the tune "House of the Rising Sun,"


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: belter
Date: 02 Mar 98 - 11:27 PM

I'd like to sugjest doing a keyword DT search for religous, gospel, god, and any other keyword that you can think of.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
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Date: 03 Mar 98 - 01:01 AM


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Marc B
Date: 03 Mar 98 - 02:03 AM

Oops. I realize I sent off the last message with nothing in it! I just wanted to let you all know how much I appreciate your postings. I'm thinking there is value to the list we are collecting, and for staying in touch re: this subject. I've not seen much in conversation or print about traditional songs/hymns or those trying to sing them, other than some Appalachian and Shape Note/Sacred Harp(all good stuff). And of course, solstice and Revels things. In reading your posts it occurs to me there is some STORY here, too, about our efforts to inject some trad into the Christian music scene, either in our home churches or more globally. Bears thinking on.

Your postings have gotten us off to a good start. I dont' know how to do the MIDI thing unfortunately but I'll start trying to figure it out. I will summarize things and share my own findings when I complete the current journey(next week or so). And will continue to post a thread on this subject from time to time.

I'm new to this forum, though I've had a downloaded version of DigiTrad for a while. I don't know if there is another way for me to communicate with you individually besides these themed threads or to chat. I'm delighted to find you all, who also seem to look to share your music with your community of faith. Though my contemporary choir compatriots like this stuff, they do think I'm a bit nuts. And conversely, though I do enjoy singing with the contemporary ensemble, most of the Christian music doesn't fit me very well, style-wise.

Incidentally, I just started leading the music for a confirmation class of 75 6th graders. A prospect I find infinitely more terrifying than any pub full of drunken hooligans.

More later.

Marc B Marcbridge@aol.com


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Nordic
Date: 03 Mar 98 - 11:03 AM

Songs of Faith??? Hey, you should chek out this:

http://www.mcn.net/~acflynn/music.html

Tell Alice that Nordic sent u!


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Jon W.
Date: 03 Mar 98 - 11:39 AM

Marc, if you haven't "Joined" the Mudcat, you should. It's free. There is a button on the home page that will let you sign up. Your computer gets a cookie and you get a personal page. Then you get to send personal messages and so forth.

Sixth-graders are great. I'm a Scoutmaster, mostly sixth and seventh graders. Don't be scared of them, just enjoy.


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Subject: Lyr Add: PRAISE WE THE LORD^^
From: Alice
Date: 03 Mar 98 - 06:51 PM

Here is one that is to the tune of a French carol.

PRAISE WE THE LORD
lyrics, 1928, Steuart Wilson
traditional French melody

Praise we the Lord, who made all beauty
For all our senses to enjoy,
Give we our humble thanks and duty,
That simple pleasures never cloy;
Praise we the Lord, who made all beauty
For all our senses to enjoy.

Praise him who makes our life a pleasure,
Sending us things which glad our eyes,
Thank him who gives us welcome leisure,
That in our heart sweet thoughts may rise.
Praise him who makes our life a pleasure,
Sending us things which glad our eyes.

Praise him who by a simple flower,
Lifts up our hearts to things above,
Thank him who gives to each one power,
To find a friend to know and love.
Praise him who by a simple flower,
Lifts up our hearts to things above.

In the same Hymnal, I found
THIS IS MY FATHER'S WORLD
traditional English melody

O HOW GLORIOUS, FULL OF WONDER
traditional Dutch melody

ALL BEAUTIFUL THE MARCH OF DAYS
traditional English melody

WHEN I, O LORD
Swedish folk melody

JUDGE ETERNAL, THRONED IN SPLENDOR
traditional Welsh melody

BY THE BABYLONIAN RIVERS
Latvian melody

IN HEAVENLY LOVE ABIDING
traditional Finnish melody

BE THOU MY VISION
traditional Irish melody
lyrics from ancient Irish
translated, 1905, Mary E. Byrne

IMMORTAL, INVISIBLE, GOD ONLY WISE
Welsh hymn

alice


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Subject: Lyr Add: SAVIOR TO THE POOR^^
From: belter
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 04:49 AM

This is a song I think would be good for six graders. I've been meaning to post it for a while any way. Idon't know the name for sure but I call it "Savior To the Poor" If I remember right I got it from a Pete Seeger recording.

Through the busy gray hound station
See the couple make their way
She in pain with body swollen
Do to bear a child this day

As they step out on the sidewalk
At the city gaze in fear
Only simple country people
Seeking work and shelter hear

Searching through the crowded city
There's no time no place to go
With a sigh a desk clerk sends them
Were they park the cars below

So amid the grease and tires
In the back seat of a car
A child is born this morning
Underneath a neon star

Though he cries to great his borning
No one hears on floors above
Rich and famous at their feasting
Speaking much of piece and love

If a prince were born this morning
If a king some day he'd be
His would be a kingdom lowly
Some would scorn or never see

But a few who have the wisdom
To perceive the gift of life
People of the streets and alleys
Gather round the child this night

Then if this child should grow and prosper
To a place in history
Surely these would be his people
Savior to the pore he'd be

Then through the years would pass the story
Time and time again retold
Till it spoke of sings and wonders
Frankincense and mer and gold

Yet within each myth of glory
Simple words of wisdom call
Thus endures the truth of ages
God is father to us all


HTML line breaks added. -JoeClone 28-Dec-00


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Subject: Tune Add: SLAINE/ BE THOU MY VISION (Irish)
From: alison
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 10:47 PM

Hi,

forgot about "Be thou my vision", my favourite hymn, so here is the tune (an old Irish tune called "Slane"). We sang this at my wedding although my mum wanted us to leave out the verse about "Be thou my battleshield, sword for the fight", she reckoned you shouldn't sing about fighting at a wedding....... we sang it anyway!!

Van Morrison sing a version of it on his "Hymn to the silence" CD accompanied by the "Chieftains". The tune is also used for "Lord of all Hopefulness" which we used to sing in scholl assembly.

Slainte

Alison

MIDI file: SLANE2.MID

Timebase: 480

Name:
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Key: C
Tempo: 166 (361445 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the January 15 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:3/4
Q:1/4=166
K:C
C2C2DC|A,2G,2G,A,|C2C2D2|E6|D2D2D2|D2E2G2|
A2G2E2|G6|A2ABcB|A2G2E2|G2C2B,2|A,17/4G,7/4|
C2E2G2|AGE2CE|D2C2C2|C6||


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Mar 98 - 04:39 PM

NO DISRESPECT INTENDED-------just humor!! but a while ago I realized that AMAZING GRACE works perfectly sung to the Gilligan's Island theme!


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: MarcB
Date: 11 Mar 98 - 01:03 AM

Art,

Thanks for passing on the hint! Taken with humor and plan to experiment:)

Marc B


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: belter
Date: 11 Mar 98 - 04:28 AM

About the song Savior To the Poor wich I posted earlyer, acording to my notes, the source is actualy Bill Steel's album Chocolate Chip Cookies.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Brian Flanagan
Date: 11 Mar 98 - 10:51 AM

There is an old irish hym that the title I know to it is Morning has broken, but I have heard it under several other titles, almost as similar as the Ode to Joy has about sixty hyms to it's music


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: sean
Date: 04 Oct 98 - 05:25 PM

I want the lyrics to praise the lord


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 98 - 01:24 AM

Hi, Sean - there are countles hymns that start with "Praise the Lord." Click here to get to the Cyber Hymnal and see if one of their songs is the one you want. If that doesn't work, give us a few more words from the hymn you're looking for, so we have an idea which one you might want.
It can be hard sometimes to find a hymn with just the title. This morning, we needed a second hymn because communion went on too long, so the choir director whispered we should sing thus-and-such. Well, our hymnal has THREE songs with that title, so we were desperate to find the song before the song introduction was finished. We made it - but there was only time for us to sing one verse. The choir was not very happy with the director this morning - but we'll get over it....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Songs of Faith
From: GUEST,Mrbisok@aol
Date: 20 May 00 - 11:18 PM

Have any of you heard of the Matty Prior album, released about 1993, "Sing Lustily and with good Courage"? It is a wonderful, wonderful, collection of "gallery hymns" played with no organ, but with original instruments. Her version of "Low He Comes with Clouds Descending" will set you free. Yes, I own this tape! Hey, it's off to church tomorrow. Good sermons and good music set the tone for the rest of the week. -- Parishioner, Harold from Hawthorne.


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