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Subject: Hedy West
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 08:42 PM

I finaly got to see the Rainbow Quest video with Mississippi John Hurt, and it was worth the trouble looking for it!

One of the guests was Hedy West. I used to like her style of singing old time songs with a banjo and I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to her. I don't recall hearing of her since the mid-late 60s.

BTW: For those who don't know it, "Rainbow Quest" was a TV show hosted by Pete Seeger in the mid(?) 60s.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Rockaday Johnny
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:09 AM

She recorded several fine records for Bear Family in the 70's and 80's - I think one with Bill Clifton, although her early work for Vanguard and Topic were great..I'd sure like to know too....


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:52 AM

Hedy's Folk-Legacy recording (which was also released on Topic Records in England) is still available as a "custom cassette" titled Old Times and Hard Times, and comes with the original booklet of introductory notes and the texts of all of the songs. Wonderful traditional material with banjo accompaniment. Check our web site.

We last had a chance to visit with Hedy when she was living in Princeton, NJ, where her husband taught. I've been told she is now living near Philadelphia, but we've not heard from her. If anyone has a current address, please send it to us via a personal message. Thanks.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 05:56 AM

Sandy, Does she still perform--that is as of the last time you saw her. When was that? You needn't be precise--late 80s or something like that will do.

Thanks,

Murray


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 05:57 PM

Got your communication, Murray, and sent a brief message in reply. You'll probably have it by now.

No, I don't think Hedy is performing any longer. I've been told that she is spending her time encouraging the musical career of her daughter, a classical violinist. Hedy's late husband was teaching at Princeton when we saw her. When was that? Well, we were singing in the elementary school that her daughter was then attending.

Hedy's current address, supplied by a mutual friend, is in Penn Valley, PA. If you want specifics, in order to write to her, send a personal message. Okay?

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (inactive)
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:59 AM

It's pretty self-absorbed of Hedy West to write about Hedy West. Here goes!

I sometimes do perform; but I don't champ wildly at the bit to dash about on the road with those good instruments; even though it's fun to sing, and to see people. The road was a delight for the first 10 years, 40 years ago?

My daughter Talitha is 19 and is a senior at the Univ of Penn, studying classics (attic Greek) her father's first field, and playing violin and viola wonderfully, Brahms, Bach, Barber, Bartok - those beautiful "B's" - along with some other composers who strayed farther in the alphabet. Her sleek adult feathers have grown in, and my frayed ones are settling back into putting in orderly and accessible form the documents of my family's music, lives and community that I gathered from 1954 to 1980, the year my grandmother died and my daughter was born.

I also compete with the groundhogs to cultivate my garden. And I play Sandy's old guitar, and my old banjos & piano.

Zip! went the time, Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:49 AM

Thank you for responding Hedy. I keep singing "Cotton Mill Girls" to myself since I saw that video. I look forward to the fruits of your labors on your family music.

I am originally from Phila. myself. My late wife was a violinist who studied with in Phila with. Bill DePasquale and Geoffery Michaels for some time. I am sure your daughter would ask "who are they".

I am a graduate of U. of P. myself.

I hope a book comes out of your family documents and music. Your father must have collected some interesting stuff himself.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 12:26 PM

Hedy forgot, or neglected, to mention that she is now having her early recordings re-mastered and released as CDs, NOT on the once-announced "Larkspur" label, but on one of her own that will join the web at "tracechain." She was very disappointed in the quality of the Larkspur product and has gone to some lengths to have the material re-mastered properly. Maybe she'll add the snail-mail address to this thread, and we can all line up to order the new CDs.

Sandy

P.S. to Hedy: Sorry we missed you last weekend. Next time!


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (inactive)
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 02:03 PM

Murray

Thanks for the welcoming words re current work. I'm aiming to make it a book. My father sang, but his passion was the social conditions of the group of his origin. I'm glad "Cotton Mill Girls" has stuff in it for you.

Phila's a good place; & it's the gentler place in the States for classical string study. It's hard to miss the DePasquale family here. They weren't small to start, and they kept growing. My daughter went to middle & high school will Bill & Gloria's son. Don't know Geoffery Michaels. Talitha studied/studies with Yumi Scott & Syd Curtiss (both also of the POrch & Curtis) & Yayoi Numazawa.

Did you study at Penn in the days Kenny Goldstein was there? Last year the folklore dept got absorbed into the English dept. Therefore Roger Abrahams is now in the Eng dept. Sounds like the prospects for young folklorists has shrunk.

Daughter's phoning. Farewell. Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (inactive)
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:01 PM

No, Sandy,

The rubb of "Larkspur" was stunning dishonesty and disregard for my limited intent.

I had no idea I was being impersonated on the web, that a site had been set up in my name (HedyWest@hotmail.com), that my teenage neighbor had given out his address as mine and had for months sent out mail, received and responded to mail as if he were I.

I still don't know the extent of what I don't know. I steadily learn bits more.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:37 PM

As far as I can tell, the only Mudcat message that was fraudulently posted under Hedy's name was one posted in January, 2000, that offered to sell auauthorized CD's of Hedy's recordings. Hedy took over that membership, and has posted a few messages in August and September.
Since there was a compromise of her identity, I've renamed Hedy's old membership "Hedy West (inactive)" and set up a new one for her called "Hedy West (current membership)." She'll probably rename it to just "Hedy West" when she's sure everybody is used to it.
Now, all I have to do is get her to go through the trauma of a cookie reset...
C'mon, Hedy, it's easy. Heck, I've been able to teach even Sandy Paton how to do this stuff...
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:47 PM

Hedy, as a long time admirer as I mentioned on another thread, I feel it is incumbent upon me to tell you that Joe means well and is a great source of help here at the 'Cat, but he speaks in a garbled computerese that often makes no sense. We don't often know what he's talking about, but he's a nice guy and his intentions are good so we humor him.

How you could just post and have it now inactive seems like voodoo, but Joe must have it figured out. Maybe. I hope. Anyway, just keep posting and whatever you do, follow his instructions. They are probably gibberish but then Joe is a priest wannabe who turned in his knee pads and the old Latin babblespeak habit dies hard.

Spaw (Village Idiot)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:53 PM

Joe, perhaps (probably) I'm dense, but why don't you just re-name the false Hedy as "(inactive)" or "NOT Hedy West?" Or if you can't edit that field on posts by non-members, at least simply change Hedy's account to "HedyWest." Just suggesting...


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 05:13 PM

You gotta trust me on this, guys. I actually know what I'm talking about, for once...
Hedy's neighbor set up an account under her name, membership number 6951. Hedy took over that account in August, and has been posting under that membership - but there's a chance the neighbor kid could access that account in the future. So, we've got messages posted by Hedy and by the neighbor kid, both under the same cookie. I can't split 'em, so I named that one Hedy (inactive) and set a new membership, number 7077, and named that one Hedy (current).
And I don't need to have you guys scaring Hedy about this cookie stuff.... Go, on, tell her what a nice, trustworthy, intelligent guy I am, and how I'd never lead her astray.
-Joe Offer, one heck of a good guy-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 05:22 PM

I rest my case.

Joe, I already told her you were a super human being, faster than speeding byte, more powerful than a Pentium III, able to leap tall piles of Commodore 64's in a single bound..........all that stuff.

But Hedy, its like I said............Humor him and soon you'll be able to be you even though you aren't you at the moment. (Look in a mirror and check on this.....I may be wrong)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 05:28 PM

Well, it doesn't appear the neighbor posted any messages under that cookie - there are none under that name before Aug.

Joe is a nice, trustworthy, intelligent guy, and he'd never lead you astray. (Cash only please, Joe.)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:24 PM

OK, I admit it. I'm still confused. The only message I really wanted to change identification on is this one - and it didn't change when I renamed the membership. Well, it was posted before Max started the "guest" thing, so we had a situation where the kid could easily have posted under any name he chose, without being registered. Still, I think it's best to ask Hedy to reset her cookie to a membership we're sure about - so I want you guys to assure her it's a quick and easy process.

...and although Fr. Joebro set it up, it does not require any knowledge of Latin...
Hedy, trust me on this. You may think Catspaw's cute, but he'll lead you astray, right down the Purple Path.

-Joe Offer (known by a select few as "Fr. Joebro")-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:34 PM

Joe,
If the Latin becomes necessary, Talitha, Hedy's daughter is studying classical languages. Not church Latin but it will work.
Mary
former classicist


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:42 PM

well, durn!,...How'd I miss this?...As someone who's been singing a few Hedy West songs for 35 odd years, it is nice to hear about her...( I do "Pans of Biscuits" and "Had a Notion" regularly)

Who besides me still has the "New Folks" record that Hedy shared with David Gude, Jackie Washington and the Greenbriar Boys?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: okthen
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:58 PM

i hope the real hedy stays with us

this uk guy saw her in 65/66 tour and is still in love

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 08:48 PM

Hmmm. I also graduated from Penn but several years before Goldstein took over. The great Mac Leach was the folklore scholarship (with much help from Tristram Coffin.) My only contribution was inventing folk music radio shows in Philadelphia. Mac had tried for hundreds of years to split folklore off from the English Dept. He finally suceeded about 1966, just as I left. I'm sad to learn that it has reverted.

English scholars aways tended to view songs as poetry - as it the tunes were meaningless. How little they know.

Still, Abrahams is finally putting together his Caribbean material for CDs. This will be good.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: balladeer
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 11:01 PM

I'm stunned at the way the internet shrinks time and space. Hedy, one night in 1964, I was playing a gig (from midnight to 6AM)at Curly Goss's Student Prince folk club in Soho, London, UK. You came in and played a short set that included Cotton Mill Girls. I've heard a dozen people sing that song since, but in my mind's eye I still see you tapping your foot and playing your banjo and I hear you singing about those cotton mills as if they really meant something to you. Thanks for the memory. Joanne


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 11:44 PM

JoeBro is really okay, Hedy, although he does occasionally make fun of his elders and their inability to fathom the mysteries of the cyber-world or accurately type the English language. He frequently rescues me from my more embarrassing depths of klutzdom. Go for the new cookie, as he urges. And welcome to the Mudcat madness.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 12:27 AM

Well, I got a personal message this evening from "Hedy West (current membership)." She reports that she was able to navigate the chicanery of a cookie reset, and is now online with her new, verified membership. She may have to have three or four days of rest because of the trauma of it all, but she's O.K.
Heck, if I can teach Sandy Paton something on a computer, I can teach anybody.
Welcome, Hedy!
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 03:55 AM

I have asked this question any number of times. In fact everytime somebody shows up here who might know the answer, I try again. So here goes:

What was the name of the coffee shop in Philly where all the good performers came. The best I can recall it was on Sansom St opposite a bar called "Little Johnnie's". (By the way Little Johnnie was the page who yelled "Call for Phllip Morris" on the adverts.) I almost lived in that coffee shop for some time in the 60s, I can remember what it looked like; but I can't recall its name.

I don't recall the name Kenny Goldstein; but then again, I was a mathematics graduate student.

Abby. The guy who ran the big folk music program was named Joe Zewacky or something like that. I was trying to remember who was there before him. Was it you? (sorry about the thread creep)

Murray


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 08:33 AM

Hedy: Downtown? The Guilded Cage, likely.

I have the owner's currernt e-mail hanging around somewhere - they were going to do a reunion.

I'm (fairly) sure mine was the first at all. At WXPN, still a student-run station at Penn at the time. I was only allowed 1/2 hour per week most of the time but I got into all the clubs free.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 01:07 PM

It wasn't the cage. That tended to have movies rather than folk groups. The one I mean was much further east

Murray


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 01:35 PM

Murray: Times change, I guess. I left town and the Cage stopped having folk songs. That's the place where the owneress, Esther demonstrated how to play guitar when you're 12 or 13 months pregnant. I'll never forget. (Side saddle, of course). Sunday afternoon round-robin was what I enjoyed most.

There was one in front of the University dorms. They usually had Joe Aaronson. Couldn't afford 'names' no way! But those were the only two, I think, that one might call 'coffee houses.' There were a number of clubs - listening rooms rather than sharing rooms. I most often went to The Second Fret downtown. I would often tape the act (McCurdy, Terry/McGhee, Bibb, etc) and interview them and use that for most of my show. That's why I got to get in free - I'd mention the club.

Then there were several much further out east - servicing - what? - Swarthmore? I almost never strayed that far.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 04:53 PM

The cafe asked about several qq ago was almost certainly the Second Fret, 1902 Sansom St. (I can almost hear Gene Shay's voice saying that) and not the Cage. I never saw Hedy W there, but did get to see her once at a folk festival in central NJ in summer 1971; in addition to all her traditional Appalachian material she did some Kurt Weill/Berthhold Brecht songs (not just from Threepenny Opera) and this wonderful parody of 'my favorite things' that I can still remember a few lines from after all these years.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 05:30 AM

Wow!

What a party! Everybody's come! Set this one up on me, Joe. You ARE a heck of a good guy. Catspaw49, I name you Centiscreed, on account of your looooonnnnnng list of postings and your 49 paws. Father Joe was a model guide, crafty and patient with a www-greenhorn squaring her ignorance with a bolshi swagger. At the end of no-purple-paths, I looked in the glass, & it looked like me.

Thank you all for the welcoming words. That was kind.

Abby, did you study with Mac Leach? It IS a sad twist that his separation of folklore at Penn from English has reverted. I think & hope it's no longer possible to divorce folk verse from its music.

Bill D., I'm glad you're keeping life breathed into "..Notion" and "Pans...". My portion of New Folks gives me the willies! I needed a few more years performing before recording! I'm chagrined Welk (who bought the folk portion of Vanguard) has reissued it - or my portion of it - I bumped into it at Amazon.com, where you can hear the stuff, and I mailed them a "Ouch! Don't buy it!" review. Since they're merchants, I reckon they won't post that one. The Greenbrier Boys were grand on that recording, though. I'd be happy if they'd put Johnny Herald singing "Stewball" on each of my tracks.

Mary, what does a former classicist do?

Yes, Joanne, the net changes the world, doesn't it? Just a few seconds, Click, and we're reading the English pages of nzz.ch/online! Hello, again. I don't remember Curly Goss, but I like that name.

Pete Peterson, those German songs, and that German language I was compelled to learn to work on figuring out some contradictions in the adult community that hovered about me when I was little. They knew everything, including when and why the Revolution would come; they crowded into our living room in Douglasville, Georgia (& other places) and they talked very importantly. They were from all over the place, but primarily they came from NYC. They were specific about what was good and what was evil. A big evil was prejudice. I didn't understand if prejudice was evil, how come it was good to be prejudiced against rich people and Germans, as they seemed to be. When I was 9 I visited NYC where one of those important people who knew everything met me and told me, "You're from the South. Are you prejudiced against Negroes." It was clear he had a vision of a stigma on my forehead. He saw me as a member of an evil group; a cousin of a German. It was also clear he was prejudiced. Eventually I went to Germany to try to clear up the confusion. It didn't really clear it up, because things are NOT clear. Much of what those people said was confirmed. But those "important" guys were all wet. That's how I got to those German songs, Pete. (There are some nice ones from Pennsylvania.)

Tangent finished. 5:30 am is a bad time to write!

Shame on me for the screed! Sorry, Catspaw49.

See you later,

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 05:45 AM

Now I've got to learn NOT to click twice! Sorry. Hedy
Duplicate post deleted.
- Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 06:39 AM

Thanks Pete and Abby. The Second Fret is it!! Now I can sleep tonight. I remember the Terry/McGhee one. It was before they picked up a "hippy" image and they were really in good form.

OK, that is the last time I mention the Second Fret on this thread; but I am glad I did let it creep.

Every once a song just grabs me and I try to learn enough of it to perform it at our local informal sessions. Hedy's "Roving Gambler" is one of the current ones although it hasn't seen the light of day yet. I don't play the banjo so it has to fit on the guitar.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 09:11 PM

I just looked into this thread. Fascinating! Went through my folk slides and found one of Hedy talking to Harlan Daniel. That was at the University Of Chicago Folk Festival in the mid '60s. Good memories are mine of all the fine people who came through Chicago to be at that one.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Downeast Bob
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 09:54 PM

Hey, Hedy, do you still have that J.B. Schall banjo with the silver inlay and the ivory pegs that I sold you in '57 or '58? For awhile, I regretted letting it go, but when you started making records, I had no regrets. Best, Bob B


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 12:27 PM

Murray: If it was the same Terry/McGhee appearance, I was up front with the tape recorder. Sonny was tired but Brownie came back to my place for the party. We often celebrated the singers & had a bit of a do. All were invited - perhaps you came too?

Hedy: Yes, happily I did a bit of study with the Blessed Leach - but only as an undergrad. I took every class he offered, though, and we talked a good bit. That was the period Goldstein was hanging out regular, Abrahams was a grad student & Lomax was a PhD candidate. That last was a bit of a joke but he needed the Credentials to get grants. He did take it seriously, though. Greenhaus was there somewhere but we never met.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 08:35 PM

Abby, You studied in Penn's Golden Age. Must have been then, and remain in memory, fascinating. I hadn't realised Alan got a degree at Penn. Bess did, but that must have been later for she was in LA as late as the 60's. Was Alan's time at Penn before or after his years in Britain and Italy? I understand that Alan has had a stroke and is in very bad shape. It's hard for me to imagine that. Not a welcome effort either.

Art, were you a student at Chicago? If you were, what were you studying other than their famous core.

Bob, I wrote you a separate note.

Fall's here.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: John Hindsill
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 09:58 PM

It is my recollection that I saw Ms West at the Ash Grove sometime in the period between '62-'64. I was surprised at her youth...from her recordings I thought her older even then. As I further recall, it was a first date with some young woman who, it turned out, did not like folk music; it was also a last date. - John


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Art Thieme
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 01:57 AM

Hedy,

Nope, I wasn't a student at U. of Chicago. But I did attend the U. of Illinois at Navy Pier (then). We used to say it was the only university that could be torpedoed. I did manage to get to the first 7 U. of Chi Fests and many after 191970. Even eas on a few of 'em.

Didn't do well at school at all until I found the University Of The Open Road. Took my instruments and hit the proverbial hot dusty road for the next 40 years (hurt my hand) until health (actually lack of health) told me to quit. And I know what you mean about the road getting old quick. When I was 20, it was great. Even past 40 and 50. Pushin' 60, I can't believe I did it anywhere near as long as I did. Must've loved the music. Yep, that's what it was that made me go the course, I'm sure. It was really the 'road less travelled'.---------"And that has made all the difference."

Am really looking forward to the CDs release! Glad you're here. Right now, if I've got anything, I've got too much time on my hands. For years the words, "

Art Thieme

As far as the core at the U. of C. goes, there's an ominous sculpture to that first nuclear reactor where Amos Alonzo Stagg football stadium used to be. The reaction was under the stadium. Mandel Hall, where the Folk Fest concerts are STILL HELD every February, is right across 57th Street. (The sculpture is a cross between a surreal mushroom cloud and orbiting nuclear particles. I was glad they made the thing scary.)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Art Thieme
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 02:03 AM

That just posted twice all by itself BEFORE I'D FINISHED.

What I was trying to say was, For years, on my banjo head, I had the words: THIS MACHINE KILLS TIME.

Art (sheepishly)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 02:18 AM

Pete Peterson,

What's "qq"?

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 03:12 AM

John Hindsill,

"The Ash Grove" with nary an ash, nor even a tree in sight, let along a grove. Only a Pearl supported by a Forbes in a nondescript structure in a trafficked sprawl where it rarely rains on those micah-sprinkled-stucco-buildings that dry out a southern mountain salamander most at home were the springs break out from vast underground rivers to meet already moist humus, moss, trillium, rhododendron, & old Catawbahs breathing cool clean blue air.

But in trooped Johnny Cash & Bill Monroe & Doc Watson & Stu Jamieson & Clarence Ashley & Roscoe Holcomb (allowed to sing when done being a reflecting-stage-prop for his owner) & Cousin Emmy (whose histing her skirt & peeing in the sink & talking of "poontang" was what was expected of her by Scruggs & Flatt, who knew her from many another dressing room) & many a Carter & Country Joe MacDonald & the Fish & Mable Hillary & Bessie Jones & & & & & &....

The Pearl-supported-by-the-Forbes deepened his sheen with big concerts of Ravi Shankar & Joan Baez...

But the salamander's skin dried out and she wriggled off to wetter climes.

Art Thieme, that's a VERY GOOD last name. Did the "road" ever make you feel your brain was becoming a cauliflower? Perpetual motion like on a caged squirrel's wheel, and all those seductive clappers... If they're right, we surely must be glorious creatures! You don't get softened-up (or down) like that in more standard day-to-day life. I believe it's lethal for them and it's lethal for us, when we start to believe it. It's a con-trail for everybody. The performers, their audience; the celebrities, their adorers; the politicians, their convinced supporters; royalty, their bamboozlees, etc & so on.

It's late/early again!

Night,

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 03:20 AM

Art,

That's an improved "variation on a theme": THIS MACHINE KILLS TIME.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 03:48 AM

Perhaps your brain doesn't change into cauliflower in "more standard" day-to-day life; but each day it get a little more plasticized. At least the "road" changes your brain from one living material to another.

Murray (Admitting he never was on the road by necessity.)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:07 AM

WOW!! What an incredible path we have all traveled to get here! Let's see: qq is my way of writing "questions" q = question, qq= more than one question. sorry for the confusion.
German songs: As I said I heard you singing these in 1971 or so. When I went to HS you had a choice of taking French, Spanish, Latin, German and Russian. I took German becasue I knew even then I was going into science. . . and took flak from Jewish friends who believed that the language itself should be allowed to die. We're all aware of everybody else's prejudices, but a lot less so of our own. sorry for the Thread Creep but this is one of the things I love about math & science, the work speaks for itself and it doesn't matter who did it-- NOT like (to take an idle example) Galax where the banjo & fiddle contest is won by locals each year-- I once said "take the absolute value of the difference between your zip code and Galax. If more than 8000, forget it."
What's not to like about the songs you sang on New Folks? Thanks to a divorce & loss of some possessions I have been unable to play vinyl for about 10 years but REMEMBER all four artists as sounding most wonderful!
I gotta remember THIS MACHINE KILLS TIME. Thanks, Art!
I think Penn had a Gilded Age (or it seemed that way to me!)sometime in the mid-80s when a couple of my friends did folklore PhDs under Ken Goldstein--


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Subject: Penn's Folk department
From: Abby Sale
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 02:02 PM

For the record, I've had a few small communications with Roger Abrahams recently and decided to have a look at the return address:

Center for Folklore and Ethnography Graduate Program in Folklore/Folklife

So it's at least recognized as a "program" if not a whole department. It may be there's no undergraduate dep't or major but I guess that's the same as it was way back. PhD courses and just "classes" (I hope) for undergrads. There's at least one full-time staff. The Penn website also gives: "The Undergraduate Program in Folklore and Folklife (Folklore Minor)" There are quit a few classes offered including "Issues in Folklore Theory." Hmmm. What issues could there possibly be?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 03:51 PM

Murray, maybe my brain got so plastic I was wrong about the change into cauliflower. Maybe it became a plastic cauliflower. Anyhow "the road" looks good to me only in limited doses.

Pete, I think the greater the distance into memory the better the sound of me on "New Folks". My narcissism begins to dance with the Topic records, and gets carried away with "From Granmaw and Me" that I'm preparing for 1st issue now. Thanks for the "pp" explanation. Was there a specific lily who got gilded at Penn in that age? Or do you think of the whole place as getting that treatment? I met that flak about studying German, and about our own prejudices.

Abby, that "issues.." leaves one thinking.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 06:15 PM

Wow, this is why I love the Mudcat! I'd missed this thread until now. Fascinating and a bunch of fun reading about some of my favourites and the times they changed.

Thanks, folks!

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 07:00 PM

Jesus! She writes so damned well! Think what that book about her grandmother is going to be like! Don't take too long with it, Hedy. Some of us are getting old faster than the rest and I want to be around long enough to read it.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 08:20 PM

'xactly wot I'se thinkin', SandyGramps!


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Rasta
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 11:00 PM

Hedy--are you playing out anymore and if so where, I saw you at the cosmic coffee house one rainy sat. nite, when I was about 14 , You sang really great and Ive never seen any one wham a banjo like you since, thanx for the tunes --Pat


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 12:30 AM

Rasta, the banjo can become an aggressive thing. And sometimes such a nag I want it to shut up. But it can also make exquisite complaint and gentle lyric.

Where was that cosmic coffee housed? So much coffee, so many houses, so many songs ago. One might turn dreary & dream of measuring out one's life in coffee houses. Or in pubs floating in smoke. Or Kleintheater all whitewashed in stone cellars where pre-Americans stream in for wine & Kultur, even for wild & wooly American germinal Kultur. They look close & are mostly gracious - in Holland they turn into swarming bees between every song - in Germany they can get well lubricated & raucous - in Sweden thoughtful & melancholy - We take their money & look close in return. Everyplace feels more like home than Los Angeles. I feel like a Swede tonight. Morose.

Sandy, you're gracious to have overlooked my screwy syntax. I got carried away ...

Abby, I don't understand how those academic divisions work; What does a "center" do, I wonder. Was there a "center" before the reorganisation, I also wonder.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 12:45 AM

I don't worry about syntax when I'm reading poetry, Hedy. There's that lovely thing called license.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Rasta
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 12:49 AM

THE COSMIC COFFEE HOUSE Im less my memory is slipping it was called the cosmic coffee house, it was a back street in Lake George N.Y. in the village of LG. It was the can I say (Kingston trio) where I first heard 500 miles. that particular summer Aug 63 my brother and I were camping in the north end of the lake but it was a dreary day and he dragged me down 30 miles or so the lake george village i having no Idea what i was in for. You were a knock out and I believe you also played a dulcimer. after the gig you somehow let me fiddle with your 5 sting, i was mesmorized so thanx to you and John Stewart and ol man Pete ive been pickin guitar, banjo and steel and a little mandolin I hope i gave you the answer you asked for-----Pat (rasta)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Rasta
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:03 AM

sometimes the best thing to do with my banjo is to tie it to the nearst tree, without case in any weather or avoid it for a week but when I play them im currently plalyin a short neck stelling bellflower , heavey and loud but perhaps the best banjo Ive ever owned was a long neck ODE with an aluminum rim wow what a banjo . Ive never played a long neck since that had such clarity. The head stock broke off of it twice , i had it glued and pinned way back and now its in dry dock in my basement. when i get the chance I may send it to a guy named Bob Jones in Brooklyn N.Y they say he does great work on everything acoustic.-----Pat


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 07:41 AM

Often I scroll down to read a thread from the latest to the earliest post (I know, I could use "Sort Descending" but it's faster just to scroll to the bottom). Reading Hedy's posts that way, out of context, adds a surreal and otherworldly aspect to her writing. Fabulous.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Fretless
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 08:54 AM

I log on in the morning and look at Mudcat afraid that this wonderful thread will have disappeared, and thank goodness it hasn't.

Hedy, back in '63 or so I heard you at -- I think -- one of the late afternoon $1 concerts at Town Hall in NYC and you played/sang a hauntingly memorable The Brown Girl. The tuning I worked out when I tried to replicate your version was a open "d" with a high tuned fifth string and duplicating drone effect on the second and third: aDAAD. I love the way it sounds but I've always been curious: was that really the tuning you used?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 09:33 AM

Yes, memory has a way of taking off the rough edges and making things sound better than they did in reality, doesn't it? I still remember it as a very good record!
In the mid 80s there were any number of good people studying folklore at Penn among them Malachi O'Connor, Bonnie Blair O'Connor (they married each other, and i got to watch!) and Maggi Holzberg. All three said they worked very hard, but it was worth it. Sadly I've lost touch with all of them, but one never knows waht is around the next corner.
More Thread Creep: What was so special about Barlow knives? They've turned up in several songs from the South?!


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Giac
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 10:00 AM

Love this thread!

I've long enjoyed your music, Hedy, thank you.

Guest, Pete Peterson - Here's some history, I hope, on:

Barlow Knives

Sorry to add to the thread creep.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Alice
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 10:07 AM

Hedy, thank you for your music, and than you for joining this forum.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 06:05 PM

Pete,

Everyone carried a pocketknife when I was a child. It was always coming in handy, to cut into a crab-apple, for example, before you dipped it into a palmfull of salt and downed it, or just whittling on a stick, or infinite other applications. The most common and reasonably priced brand was made by the Barlow company. You could get them almost everywhere, too. My grandmother stocked them in her store, as did the other merchants I was aware of. My dad always had one in his pocket.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 07:47 PM

My father always said you hadn't finished putting on your pants in the morning if your pocket knife wasn't in your pocket. I grew up with a barlow knife in my pocket though today it has gone away I still carry a jackknife all the time.

By the way, thread creep continues, does everyone know that the pen knives featured in so many songs was the knife kept on hand by the literate to sharpen their quil pens. That is why only the upper class kill with a pen knife in the old songs. The lower class had to rely on other deadly instruments.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 10:27 PM

Rasta,

Never get married to a stock or to a banjo. Keep yr eye peeled on the horizon.

Guest Fretless,

"$1 concerts" has a marvellous sound, no? D, as tonic, was close. I believe I always used C#/Db as tonic, i.e. on the long neck capoed at the 4th fret. Tuned: G#C#G#C#D#; more straighforwardy, GCGCD all raised 1/2 step. But, it's good that you devise your own tuning. Those tunings with triplicate-pitch can be wonderful: viz., your ADAAD. I like to use GCGCC and to play melody on 2 strings, either at unison or parallel octaves. Not always "pretty", but relentless, and can express horror of the insensate.

"Surreal," Guest? "otherworldly?" I have dirt under my nails and between my toes. Better get busy with the Barlow knife. From under the nails, anyhow. Ouch, re the toes.

That's interesting, Naemanson: "... That is why only the upper class kill with a pen knife in the old songs..."

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 10:42 PM

Hedy, for the past two days I've been trying to rundown an old college friend who played your Vanguard albums constantly. Haven't found him yet, but you were Jeff's favorite back in the Berea days. We were an odd group there. Converts through the Baez/Dylan/PPM channels, but immediately found ourselves hooked into Jean Ritchie (had a niece in school there at the time), Doc Watson, Peter LaFarge, Patrick Sky, you..............lots of others who had a real impact on us 35 years ago. I'm glad you've come here and I hope you find your way onto some other threads where your knowledge and experience will be appreciated. And I hope you find a few BS threads to your liking too.......I can't help but wonder what your take is on the constitution and thong underwear!(:<))

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 03:16 AM

Centiscreed (still honoring your paws & postings),

Are you bringing out the worst in me?:

"...Thong underwear..." "What's that?" said she. "A Monica flip, of course." said he,

A Monica flip, a Monica flap, The tiniest thing, the skinniest strap,

"Pop!" went the thing on her fat young thigh, - It takes far less to catch that guy's eye -

"Snap!" it sounded on her juicy haunch - And Bubba was off to his usual raunch.

Lov-el-y, lov-el-y, furry and fair, Our pre-zee-dent preyed and swizzled down there.

And where was the wifey? Where was she? The wifey cried, "Foul! Con-speary-assy!"

Certainly NOT Hedy

Monica winked; Our Commander blinked


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:18 AM

Centi,

for the Constitution, best turn to Nat Hentoff.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Rasta
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 12:19 PM

Ill never marry a stock and Ive divorced three banjos already. but weve remained friends. ill never go out with a constiutionalized thong but could you tell me what the tuning for pretty polly was or is. I listened to my updated CD of New folks last nite . sounds like a basic strum style. I know this is secret and classified info but if you could reveal it great and if not thats OK too once again THANX and GROVINESS ---===Rasta (Pat)


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 01:13 PM

Hedy,

You may have dirt under your nails and between your toes (careful with that blade) but your way with words has more in common with the sublime than with the ordinary. Especially when the reader is ignorant of that which spawned them.

A good day to you.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 02:29 PM

Rasta,

With Pat Moynihan let's minimize the classified:

I haven't relistened, but the tuning was bound to have been GCGCD (2nd string raised 1/2 step from the standard G tuning). GCGCD is one of those tunings that get called (strangely, to my mind) "modal". Strange, both because tunings are pitch-clusters, not scale arrangements, and because all the scale arrangements we accompany with tunings fall into some modal-pattern (or our reconstructed guess as to which patterns were called which mode-name). The conventional major scale we call ionian and the minor scale we generally call aeolian. Why do we then leave them out of category "modal". Are we really shortening "modal" to mean those less-often used modes?

I believe I frailed rather than strummed "Pretty Polly". I certainly do now.

Guest, will you forgive me if I ask whether that could be synonymous with "Ignorance is bliss."

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 02:32 PM

thanks for the Barlow knife information! I like tools that have only ONE function; the Swiss Army Knife has never turned me on.(But I digress) the Barlow looks beautiful. I wonder if what my father had (and I found in his dresser drawer) was a Barlow?
Banjo tunings: An awful lot of modal tunes are played in what Pete Seeger called "mountain minor" in his book, and Clarence Ashley called "sawmill" tuning: gDGCD. Almost everybody who plays Coo Coo Bird plays it out of this tuning. I HAVE played Pretty Polly from that tuning but without words from the Master (Mistress?) am unwilling to state this is how it WAS done, only that it can be. And usually sounds pretty good too!
I haven't tried tose 'triplicate' tunings (nice name!!) in years; learned them so I could sound like Peggy Seeger's playing of Willie Moore; she calls them "dulcimer ' tuning.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Frankham
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 02:38 PM

This is very informative and a good thread.

Hedy, Maggie Holtzberg used to live here in GA and moved to Boston. She was fiddlin' a storm. They had a group here doing Celtic (Irish mainly) called the New Road which was great. They disbanded. Two of the members went to Ireland to learn more.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Fretless
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 12:28 PM

Thanks, Hedy, for the tuning info...and for all that great music!

I'll have to try The Brown Girl in the more typical, old-timey gCGCD tuning, although I admit it's going to be hard to shake my ear off the now-accustomed dime of the triplicate aDAAD. Another tune that sounds really fine in the aDAAD triplicate is Bascomb Lamar Lunsford's Swannoah Tunnel.

And for another interesting triplicate tuning, try gGGBD, with the fourth string dropped an octive to serve as a low drone. Makes for an appealing version of Melvin Wine's "Wine's Delight."


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: John Hindsill
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 12:36 AM

Hedy,I understand your allusion to Pearl (Ed the owner) at the Ash Grove, although the Forbes part is not in my experience. As an aside, I lived next door to the Pearls in the mid-50s, his brother Bernie and I went to Jr.High together and later met again at university. It wasn't until my third or fourth visit to the AG that I learned who owned it.

A few years ago Ed Pearl tried to revive the Ash Grove on the pier at Santa Monica, but it was a short-lived venture.---John


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 01:52 AM

Rockaday,

Bill Clifton lives in Mendota, Va. His Email "elfltd@3Wave.com"/ I enjoyed those tours and recordings with Bill and his family. It's fun to sing with Bill.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 10:11 AM

Over the weekend I listened to my almost 40 year old copy of New Folks. I enjoyed it! Hedy, I think you are being too rough on yourself! And yes, Pretty Polly sounds very much like it's in the gDGCD tuning; your post probably showed up while i was busy writing mine!
Most people that say "modal", I have found, are using that as a synonym for "Dorian mode", forgetting that there are six other modes. . .
Fretless, I gotta try Wine's Delight in that low tuning. As I think through the way I play it (my banjo is twenty miles away0 I don't think I ever use the 4th string, so a low drone would be nice! THANKS in advance.
I remember running into Bill Clifton about 15 years ago at some tropical resort; I had on my Carter Fold T-shirt; I didn't recognize him, but I was wearing a billboard which allowed him to identify himself. I still have his "150 Songs" -- copy pretty battered and well-used by now. I love his singing; you can hear the Carter Family influences


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 05:47 PM

Sing it, Pete! Wish I could hear that "Wine's Delight"! Max & Joe might set about figuring how to capture our singing and post it here?

I can imagine Bill luxuriating in the velvet of the tropics. He plays velvet, sings velvet, talks velvet, too. The Carters are part of the core of his life. He lives cheek-on-jowl with them. Or, with Jeanette.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 05:54 PM

Well Hedy and Pete, if you have PCs, there is nothing stopping you coming along to Hearme and singing them.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 07:19 PM

Heard a 3 hour 'tribute to the Carter Family' show on our local NPR station the other day...with Bill Clifton as guest. They were celebrating the big release of the multi-CD set of everything the Carters ever did....they'd play one from the set, then a couple of versions from other places.....An amazing show!...and I wasn't set up for taping!


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 07:41 PM

Having access to two of the worst NPR stations in the country................BILL, was that a local show or is it a syndicated thing that I might (doubtful) find popping up here?

Hedy....DO you know about HearMe? If you have a PC and not Mac, as Jon said, you can join in a live song circle. Its not hard to load or anything and its fun listening to someone in Australia, then England, then here, then wherever. If you have a mic, you can sing some too, which I know would be a treat for all of us.....You might get a big kick out of it. 'Course you can get a big kick out of a mule too, but HearMe is a lot less painful.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 08:21 PM

Centi,

I guess that's yet another disadvantage of using a Mac. Maybe it's time to change to PC. HearMe sounds fine.

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 10:20 PM

catspaw..it was a local show...we have big time DJs who know everyone here and many hours of bluegrass, C&W and Old Timey stuff on the radio. I suppose it was recorded, but I have no idea what they might do with it.

I will be sure to get the word out if I hear anything


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:23 PM

Frustration quotient: the reason i have been posting from work is not just my incorrigible tendency to find things other than work to while away these hours, but my home computer has a bug where when you click on MS Internet Explorer, it flashes the error message "This program has committed an illegal operation and will be shut down" and then it does. I am about to call one of these ads in the local peper "Computer problems? Onsite evaluation, only $20". . . I visualize the person who will show up as loking much like I did at age 16 or so. . . I am feeling like an old dog, and this . . . anyway I am hoping to ask the computer wizard to set up Hear Me and start to enjoy a little more. Home email is lutrine@tidalwave.com and I CAN get email, it's just any attempt either to launch Explorer, or click on a blue clicky thing, gives me the error message above. But Watch This Space.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Hedy West (current membership)
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:42 PM

Pete,

That obstruction's more formidable than the ones I bump into, like "error 11...restart".

Hedy


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Rastis Jones
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 09:04 AM

Is there any news about the CDs?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,PStamler
Date: 07 Mar 01 - 02:06 PM

Hi Hedy:

Martin Carthy was through here last week, and mentioned that you taught him the tune which he uses for "Famous Flower of Serving Men", but he doesn't remember the tune's original name. Do you? It's the same one, roughly, that Fairport Convention used as the beginning of the instrumental medley following "Matty Groves", which they call "The High Road to Linton".

Peace, Paul


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Mar 01 - 01:59 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 09 Mar 01 - 08:06 AM

I'm so glad I spotted this thread. Hedy, I've been a fan of yours since first hearing. I still play your Topic, ex-Folk Legacy albums, and the duet one with Bill Clifton. I have many grand memories of hearing you in England, in particular a spectacular event at the Singer's Club, London, when you and Peggy Seeger shared the whole evening. What a feast. Thank you for all that. Please do not abandon singing altogether, we need people like you. I agree with Bert Lloyd's comments in the Topic sleeve notes. Sincerely, Burl.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: chip a
Date: 09 Mar 01 - 03:26 PM

Hedy, I met you in your grandma's store about 25 years ago. You had a long neck banjo there & you picked something on it for me. I was just learning two finger style. I stopped in to visit with your grandmother a lot of times. I got Love, Hell & Busciuts from Cecil Lance at Hill Lance Drugs in town, but gave it to Cory Stephens. He's your cousin Sharon West Stephens' son. Anyway, It's good to know you're out there. Chip in Blairsville


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 20 Mar 01 - 12:40 AM

Yes, I have been looking for any of Hedy's songs on CDs. I just "discovered" her singing after hearing Cotton Mill Girls on the Radio sung by the Poozies. I decided to try to find out more about the song. Hedy's great and it's too bad that her music along with many others is not available on CD.

JAB


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Mar 01 - 12:45 PM

I suspect Ms West has not looked in here lately. Must be on the road.

Art


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Rastis Jones
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 03:57 PM

I got an email from her a long time ago saying that her website was www.tracechain.com. There is nothing there... does anyone know about the cds?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,ApparentDefense
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:46 PM

I first heard Hedy West on the Vanguard release-New Folks back in the early 1960's. The Greenbriar Boys were also on that record. I'll always remember Ms. West singing... 'I had a noton, not working this mornin'...wind so cold, Wwind so cold...'

Met and heard Sheila Kay Adams at a writer's conference in Greeneville, Tennessee last September. Sheila Kay's a wonderful storyteller and singer of the old pure southern appalachian ballads. Frails pretty, too.

Glad to hear Hedy West is well.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 05:59 PM

GUEST,Rastis Jones: Hedy wrote that this is expected to be the official site when the CDs are ready but she went on that, "At present www.TraceChain.com is simply a registered website"

We wait with serene patience and glad expectation.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:51 PM

Refresh...ing! This is what the 'Cat is all about. Thanks for rediscovering this thread, 'Spaw. Man, that woman can WRITE! I'm sorry I missed most of the Philly folk scene while I was growing up there...

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 08:04 PM

I had a response from Hedy to a silly e-mail I'd sent her so I sent a reply asking about the new recording work she's been working on. No answer thus far.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Joseph Hornikin
Date: 13 Mar 02 - 12:03 AM

Wow I just discovered this... Hedy is one of my favorites. Does anyone have info on where I can buy her rereleased cds?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Mar 02 - 12:21 AM

Here you go. As far as I know this is still current:

Subject: RE: New Hedy West CDs,br> From: dick greenhaus
Date: 27-Jan-00 - 01:07 PM
Shop: Saro , Pretty Saro

"Best of Hedy West" and "Pretty Saro" are now available from Camsco. If you wish to order direct, you can call Camsco at 800/ 548-FOLK (3655). Mention Mudcat and Mudcat will get a cut of the proceeds.

If you haven't heard Hedy, you should. She's a fine singer and a wonderful banjo picker.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Vicki
Date: 14 Mar 02 - 11:06 AM

Ms. West,

I am the daughter of one of your classmates, Shirley Bandy, with whom you attended school in Murphy NC around 1954 or 1955. She has talked of you and your music often and I was so excited to find you here. I too wrote to the HedyWest@hotmail address only to find it inactive. I know my mother would love to hear from you if you have the time to email her. Thank you so much. I plan to purchase some of your CD's for her birthday in June. She will be so surprised! The email address is ourhyacinth9@aol.com.

Thanks again, Vicki Chesterfield


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 09:17 AM

uubonfig@hotmail.com at rec.music.folk wrote:

>Looks like the authorized Hedy West albums, the first two albums >anyway, have already been reissued on the UK label Phantom on one CD. >Seems you can get them in the USA through Amazon.com,

There does seem to be a mysterious offer at Amazon.com: "Hedy West 1st & 2nd"

But little info. Can any verify this?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 11:10 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Liquor Lovin' Larry
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 09:50 PM

I have nothing to add to this thread (which makes it a typical Mudcat message). I just wanted to have message #100.


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,sundayrooster
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:08 PM

My brother & I first saw Hedy at the old Ashgrove along with, Doc Watson, Clarence Ashley & Roscoe Holcolm. UNFORGETABLE! Does anyone know about the availability of any of her cd's?


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Sid Lyons
Date: 16 May 02 - 11:39 PM

It appears that Ms. West discovered the internet an then dropped off the face of the earth (in terms of internet contact). Has anyone heard anything recently about her cds? These posts say she was working on them in 2000 so I would assume that a few of the cds should be available. I had no luck searching the web for her website, does anyone know what it is? Thanks, Sid


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 02 - 05:17 PM

Sid it appears to me that Hedy has given up on the cds. I have been following this for a few years now and Hedy has not responded online. Additionally I bought those CDs on Amazon and they have not been sent for 2 years!... I don't think its for real. Joe
There are very few people in this world who bear the name of Joe Offer. I highly doubt that this message was posted by one of them. I am quite certain that "Sid" is the same person as the Joe Offer impostor.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Mary Katherine
Date: 18 May 02 - 07:52 PM

John, I think that the reason you didn't understand Hedy's allusion to "Forbes" in relation to Ed Pearl was that she simply misremembered the name. She meant to say Hughes, not Forbes (all those billionaire's names sound alike?). Ed Pearl's wife at the time of Hedy's shows at the Ash Grove (where, by the way, I was working at the same time) was named Kate Hughes, not Forbes. Kate Hughes Pearl later married Ralph Rinzler, and they were still married at the time Ralph passed away.

Mary Katherine


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 02 - 10:58 PM

Hey Joe, I do not appreciate you commenting that I am a person non-grata without contacting me. My name is Joseph Offer and you can email me at JOEEOFFER@AOL.COM. Call me up if you like 1-415-499-6323. Joe
28 May - well, I checked with him by e-mail, and it seems to check out. I wonder if we're related. I met an Offer I wasn't related to only once. If my questioning his identity was offensive, I'm sorry.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Hedy West
From: Abby Sale
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 03:27 PM

Well, I'm pretty damn sure I'm the only Abby Sale in Netdom & likely in the world. Every time I've ever seen a suspicious post from an "Abby Sale" it turned out to be me saying something so dumb I tried to forget it. But this turn of events makes the whole Joe-clone thing too dificult to imagine. And could it be that the "real" Hedy who was so messed with by her neighbor, the Fraud Hedy, was herself a forged identity. Named Joe West?

This thread is closed because it has too many messages.
Please go to the Next thread (click)
Please don't post any more messages here.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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