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Lyr Req: Juliana (chantey) (15)

stallion	15 Jul 12 - 04:47 PM
Charley Noble	15 Jul 12 - 04:38 PM
GUEST	15 Jul 12 - 01:35 PM
Barry Finn	14 Jan 05 - 01:27 PM
Charley Noble	14 Jan 05 - 10:55 AM
Peter Kasin	13 Jan 05 - 09:24 PM
radriano	13 Jan 05 - 07:28 PM
Peter Kasin	13 Jan 05 - 03:23 PM
radriano	13 Jan 05 - 03:06 PM
Charley Noble	12 Jan 05 - 07:55 PM
Peter Kasin	12 Jan 05 - 07:49 PM
Peter Kasin	12 Jan 05 - 03:05 PM
Dani	12 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM
GUEST	12 Jan 05 - 12:04 PM
Charley Noble	12 Jan 05 - 11:52 AM
Joe Offer	12 Jan 05 - 01:49 AM
Peter Kasin	11 Jan 05 - 10:15 PM
Barry Finn	11 Jan 05 - 10:02 PM
Charley Noble	11 Jan 05 - 05:52 PM
Dani	11 Jan 05 - 12:25 PM
GUEST,MMario	11 Jan 05 - 08:41 AM
Charley Noble	11 Jan 05 - 08:06 AM
Dani	10 Jan 05 - 10:10 PM
SINSULL	10 Jan 05 - 05:18 PM
Peter Kasin	10 Jan 05 - 05:04 PM
Barry Finn	10 Jan 05 - 01:14 PM
Joe Offer	10 Jan 05 - 11:38 AM
Stephen R.	10 Jan 05 - 10:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: stallion
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 04:47 PM

Justine, we never met but I have fond memories of Barry and echo Charlie's comment he said it how it was!

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 04:38 PM

Justine-

Don't we all miss him! I could always count on Barry for a frank response to a song I was putting together. Sometimes he even liked them!

Charley Noble

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 01:35 PM

Awh Barry, wish you were still here. We are keeping this all alive! Love you, Justine

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 01:27 PM

Hi Dani

I picked up this song from Mareck Shakowsky (that's how it sounds, I sure it's not how it's spelled) in the summer of 92 during the tall ships (sail-op) visit to Boston. Mareck was acting as laison between the cadets & the captain (basically the 1st mate) aboard the wishbone schooner the Zawisza Czarny (translated; the Black Knight). I got invited (because I was singing on board with a fiddler who had just signed on) to go for an afternoon sail & as soon as we cleared the pier Mareck picked up a concertina & started playing (maybe as a call to work?) while playing he started shouting out orders & the crew/cadets started in with setting the sails with Mareck then starting to sing shanties, Londion Julie being the 1st & following it with Roller Bowler accompanied by 2 long time sea musicians, John Townley & Simion Spaulding & a few of the musicians in the crew with the others handling the sails & singing the responses. It was heaven. I was asked later that eve. to join their dockside concert. Those in the crew that couldn't play or sing, danced. I watched 2 of the crew perform/dance the Sailor's Hornpipe, best I'd ever seen. After the concert some of the crew from other ships all partied together & we all ended up singing aboard the schooner Shenandoah. I really had no idea of the company I was singing with. I was asked at the end of the weekend if I'd like to join as crew on the sail to England, I was told they were the slowest ship in the fleet but the one that had the most fun, I couldn't do it. A couple of yrs later I met Mareck again at Mystic & along with Shanty Jack we started trading drinks & shanties with Jack teaching me the harmonies. It turns out that the Polish are very proud of their strong maritime culture/history keeping it very much alive & that Mareck was concidered to be the father of the Polish sea music revival.
That's about all I can tell you Dani.

Barry

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 10:55 AM

Chantyranger and Radriano-

Is this the group that leads "Go Down, You Blood-Red Roses" at the closing credits of the new Kinsey Report cinema blockbuster?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 09:24 PM

Yes, their fame came in spurts, though many people found their pop-folk 60's approach to the music pretty flaccid. I understand some of the bandmembers formed a new group, "Floating Seamen."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: radriano
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 07:28 PM

Are the Whaleboners still around? I heard that they had dwindled down to nothing after being big for awhile.

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 03:23 PM

Radriano, is that the one being released by The Whaleboners?

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: radriano
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 03:06 PM

The "Poles Apart" recording is one of the best shanty albums I've ever heard and well worth owning, in my opinion.

There's also a another recording about to be released by two fine shanty singers from California titled "Boldly from the Westward" - I can't remember their names at the moment but I'm sure there'll be a Mudcat post about it soon. Rumor is that the album is phenomenal.

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 07:55 PM

;~)
Charley Noble

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 07:49 PM

Charley, I think the answer to GUEST would be "Well......hardly ever!" (ala G&S).

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 03:05 PM

I wonder which one, too. Chantey singing is followed bigtime in Poland. They have some great chantey festivals, I hear, where the singers are regarded as rock stars! Tom Lewis recorded a CD with a group of polish chantey singers, called "Poles Apart." (sorry for the thread creep).

Chanteyranger

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Dani
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM

I want to hear more about the Polish shanty singer!

Dani

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 12:04 PM

what, never?

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 11:52 AM

I never change a word in anything I sing!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 01:49 AM

Click here for these notes on this song from the Johnson Girls Website:

London Julie

London Julie (Bonnie, with Alison & Joy)

Just as sailors made long circuitous journeys, so did their chanteys. The text we use is Barry Finn’s (U.S.), who heard the song from a Polish chantey singer, who in turn got it from Roy Harris (U.K.). Roy found the tune and a fragmentary text on a recording in the Robert W. Gordon collection at the Library of Congress. Just as Roy and Barry have provided verses today, so did the sailors and collectors in their day.

Roy Harris is known as "Burl" on Mudcat. Barry Finn is known as "Barry Finn."
-Joe Offer-

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 10:15 PM

Then, I wasn't "hearing voices" on "A soldier took her far from me"? Both endings are legit, I take it? If so, that's in keeping with the chanteymen of old, who rarely sang chanteys the same way twice.

Chanteyranger

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 10:02 PM

Hi Charley, "as soon as I put out to sea". Of course next month it could be "a tune that I put out with pee". See below, you never know.

Thank Chanteyranger, "aw shucks"

Hi Mary don't you go getting picky on me & don't trust those Conn. folk to speak or to sing proper. It's gotta be sung with the correct pronunciation, a Bostonian accent would be the right way, like this "Jewel-e-anna". There are no "h's" in the english language, for that matta there R no "R's" eitha. You been in Maine for such a shot time listening to those downeasta's and alReady you'Re cents of the spoken woRd. Bonnie asked me where the pump shanty 'Priests & Nuns' came from. I told her Jerry Bryant but that it was in Harlow's collection. She kept asking & I kept saying Harlow. She could't figure out if I was saying Hi-Lo or Hello, same thing happened when she asked about 'Roller Bowler'. I guess everyone else is trashing the language, go figure.

Hope I'll see/hear you soon. LOL

Barry

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 05:52 PM

Dani-

Thanks! I don't need any more song fragment mysteries cluttering up my poor brain.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Dani
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:25 PM

You did hear that, Charley. I just heard it on my Johnson Girls CD, and they credit Barry (among others)

Dani

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 08:41 AM

I remember hearing Barry sing this at Old Songs in the barn - just a few eeks after his liver transplant - I remembering wondering how that much volume could be produced without popping stitches somewhere! (it was my first encounter with Barry!)

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 08:06 AM

Barry-

I'm thinking I've heard you sing the last verse:

And then as I put out to sea?
Some soldier took her on his knee?

But maybe that was in a dream!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Dani
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:10 PM

I had forgotten about this song, but as soon as I saw the thread, I heard Barry singing it.

Every once in a while I feel this wave of gratitude wash over me for the gifts of the Mudcat, and especially of the Getaway.

I know what I'll be driving people around here crazy with this week!

Dani

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 05:18 PM

Please note: The pronunciation is Juli-ah-na. I was corrected by Sandy and Caroline's grand daughter.

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 05:04 PM

I had no Idea you penned those verses, Barry. You are too modest! They are brilliant, and weave through as seamlessly as anything traditional.

Chanteyranger

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:14 PM

I believe the way Joe has it at the top here is from the Carpenter collection & according to Bonnie Millner it's also in the Robert W Gordon collection, I've never seen it in print myself. Bonnie of the Johnson Girls did a good bit of research for the notes on their CD. Joe's provided a link to an older thread which you might find interesting. The It was such a hell of a shanty I felt it needed more than just floating (filler) verses so those verses that chanteyranger has above I wrote.

Good luck with it, Barry

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 11:38 AM

"Julianna" is so widely known among both the SF and DC clubs, that I thought it must be a standard. I couldn't find it in any of the sea song books I checked - I think I have all the standard books. The other thread traces it to Shanty Jack and Stormalong John of the UK. Know of any other sources?
What other recordings are there?
-Joe Offer-

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: Stephen R.
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:58 AM

Thanks Joe and Chanteyranger. Mudcat is great!

Stephen

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Subject: Lyr Add: LONDON JULIE (from Barry Finn)
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:19 AM

Hi, Joe -
I learned this version from Barry Finn, who also taught it, I believe, to the J-Girls.

LONDON JULIE

Well, we took a long loving walk
CH: Aha, me London Julie!
And we had a long, loving talk
CH: Aha, me London Julie!

Full CH: Julianna, Julianna, where do you go?
                Aha, me London Julie!
               Julianna, Julianna, where do you go?
             Aha, me London Julie!

She took me to her favorite park
CH
And we stayed there 'til after dark
CH & Full CH

She said that she'd be true to me
CH
She spent me money fast and free
CH & Full CH

And then as I put out to sea
CH
A soldier took her far from me
CH & Full CH
(repeat full chorus if desired)

StephenR, The Johnson girls CD's are really worth getting. This is on their first one. Try a PM to Joy Bennett, or to Liam's Brother, who's wife is in the group.

Chanteyranger

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Subject: ADD: London Julies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:15 AM

Hi, Stephen - that's a hard one to find because there can be so many variations of spelling. this thread (click) talks about the song, but doesn't include lyrics. I thought this would be a common song and would be very easy to find, but not so. I looked in thirteen different sea song books for background information, and didn't find this song. I think the Johnson Girls recorded it, but I couldn't find their CD just now. Can anybody give background and source information? A tune would be nice, too. Send MIDIs to me for posting.
-Joe Offer-
joe@mudcat.org

I finally found the lyrics at the Pint & Dale Website (click) (Wm. Pint posted a link in the other thread):

London Julies
traditional

Julianna, Julianna, Oh where do you go?
Ah ha, me London Julies
Julianna, Julianna, Oh where do you go?
Ah ha, me London Julies

Up aloft up aloft this yard must go
Ah ha, me London Julies
Up aloft up aloft this yard must go
Ah ha, me London Julies

And around Cape Horn
There's ice & snow
Ah ha, me London Julies
But around Cape Horn we all must go
Ah ha, me London Julies

The mate is a bawling down below
Ah ha, me London Julies
so heave away, lash up and stow
Ah ha, me London Julies

I once heard Caroline Paton sing this song to her granddaughter, Juliana. That was a treat!
I think I first heard it from Barry Finn. Barry's version is memorable.
-Joe Offer-

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Subject: Lyr Req: Julianna Julianna where do you go?
From: GUEST,Stephen R.
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 11:48 PM

Anyone have lyrics and/or tune for the shantey 'Julianna, Julianna, where do you go?'

Stephen

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