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Any serious 12 strings players left?

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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 02:15 PM

Sean
"in the Pines" very nice job


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 02:42 PM

4 good jobs, Sean.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,Sean
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 04:51 PM

Thanks for the kind words. Any criticism is appreciated, too; I'd rather it be blunt internet anonymity than patronising smirks from people concerned with feelings and all that. Just shoot me a message or something.

-Sean


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,jimlee337
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 02:29 PM

I got my first 12-string in 1966 and have had a love affair with that lasted longer than the one I had with my wife! Over the years I've had a number ofthem "JG", Yamaha, Martin (D12-35 and DM-12). When I started playing the coffee house scene in the Seattle "U-district" the lead guitar would make me sit at the back of the stage so I wouldn't drown him out.

Since that time I've gotten married, widowed, grandfathered, and old. Tendonitis/arthritis...it makes it difficult to play as often as would like, but the love affair continues...

The point of all this is that I've found myself becoming increasingly "bluegrass" over the years and thought that the 12-string was doing a fine job on some of the ballads like "Down in the Willow Garden" so I was suprised to hear that the 12-string hasn't had a place in bluegrass.

Why is that?


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: greg stephens
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 02:34 PM

I would think the lack of 12-strings in bluegrass is down to speed. The particular wonderful heavy sound of a 12 just gets muddied up at the frantic tempos used by modern bluegrass players. Things need time to ring to get the full effect of those octaves I think.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,Alan Kershaw
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 06:31 PM

Greg,

Have you heard Dan Crary?


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 08:56 PM

Doc Watson picked some mean 12 string on The Train that Carried My Girl From Town, Beaumont Rag, and Rising Sun Blues back on one (or two?) of those old Vanguard LP's.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 09:39 PM

Are there any light-hearted trivial minded 12 string guitarists out there?


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:34 PM

I do what I can when the mood takes me, Al.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 03:57 PM

Yup!


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,GUy---unison/laughing stranger
Date: 01 Jun 12 - 10:30 PM

yeah, there are.
I have been playing the ovation 12 string since the 1970's.
listen to "so many miles" and "again" on this site

http://www.myspace.com/guyvaniderstine


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Jun 12 - 10:48 PM

I play 12 string a lot. I used to play Pete's old 12 string until he had his new one made.
He would listen to my playing.. We used it on our Nonesuch.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,mando-player-91
Date: 01 Jun 12 - 11:04 PM

I own a 12 string but I'm sad to say I don't dig it out much because I feel like it's swallowing me. ( I'm a very small Irishman)

- Shepard


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: matt milton
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 05:58 AM

here's a serious 12-string player:

Serious Sam Barrett

http://serioussambarrett.bandcamp.com/album/close-to-home

Sam's from Leeds


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: RTim
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:12 AM

The great American musician and singer - Tim Eriksen plays
the - BAJO SEXTO which is a version of the 12 string,
see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajo_Sexto

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 09:13 PM

Not sure if this site is still active but, I am looking for help. Started playing a 12 string recently, and haven't played guitar for over 30 years. I bought a 2nd hand Ovation Celebrity and think it sounds pretty good. Then, I went into a Guitar Center store to buy a capo and wandered into the 12 String section, picked up a Martin 12 string and fell in love with the sound. I understand there is a difference in the instruments/price but was curious if it could possibly be a function in the strings?

Any insight would be great.


GMoney


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 02:25 AM

Hi Guest, You'll soon see that the site is very active, I'll leave the tech reasons to the experts but will say it's not the strings although strings do make a difference, it's the way the instrument is constructed, what it's made of and how it's 'set up' and tuned. Look at the threads listed at the top of this one. Welcome back to playing and to what sounds like the start of your guitar collection!!.
Al


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 02:30 AM

Oh yes, I was listening to a Martin 12 last night at Faversham Folk club when Chris and Dave of Porchswing Blues turned up.
Al


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 08:45 AM

GUEST, the strings may have something to do with it. Before falling too deeply in love with that Martin 12, slap a new set of strings on the Ovation you already have and see if it doesn't sound much better. A $12.00 set of strings is much cheaper than a $2,000 guitar.

That doesn't mean the Ovation with new strings is going to sound like the Martin. Generally speaking, an Ovation 12 is going to have a little less sustain and 12-string jangle than a Martin, and much less than a jumbo-bodied Guild or Taylor. How much sustain you want depends largely on your playing style. A chord strummer may want maximum sustain while a single-note picker may want less.

Personally, while I don't care for Ovation 6-strings, I like their 12s. You can actually play fiddle tunes on them without it sounding like mud.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 01:12 AM

Guest - sling the Ovation 12 into the bin (or sell it on) and go buy that Martin. I have owned in my time an Eko 12, an Ovation Celebrity 12 and now the love of my life is an early Japanese Sigma/Martin DR 12-28. Believe me, the Ovation 12 sounds OK if you only ever play it amplified, but unamplified it is unacceptably tinny. I also had going-out-of-tune issues with mine, as well.

The big, resonanant sound of the Martin is completely different and you will never, ever make the two sound different. Chalk and cheese.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 01:13 AM

Oops, sorry! That guest was Fossil, at work, sans cookie


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 10:47 AM

If you are re-learning to play after 30 years off, the Ovation will be just fine for a few years. As usual, I've heard great 12s made by many manufacturers. When a pair of jeans fit you the way you want, them's good jeans.

(Strings do make a difference, but not all that much of a difference, assuming they are the correct gauge for the style you play. If strings made that much of a difference, they'd be the answer folks are looking for, but they alone ain't the answer.)

I had an Ovation (six string) for about a week and I gave it away. Wasn't for me. I have also met players who swear by them. Good guitars are good guitars. Great guitars are rare, and people will let you know their favourites. BUT, one man's cordon bleu is another man's gruel. It has always been thus.

Best wishes to you.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,Rick Masters
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:13 PM

Hi all, I enjoyed reading this thread. I have also had a love affair with 12-strings for many years. My first was a brand new acoustic Harmony I bought after saving my money all summer back in 1970. It was the very same model Ringo Starr used on is debut album. Three assholes with knives took it from me a month later. Then somewhere around 1980, I picked up a beautiful sounding Takamine that is still my choice for recording today. And I just got my old rosewood Guild F-312 back from a crack repair yesterday and I am struggling to become friends with it again. It is SO different than the Takamine!! The Guild growls and roars while the Takamine purrs and sings. The Takamine has a Roland G3 synthesizer pickup and an ancient 6-string in-hole pickup for the FX. I actually dislike the sound of acoustic 12-strings and would rather play a 6-string when there is no electrification. But with an amp and FX, the 12-string becomes very unique and I never tire of it. The sustain is wonderful. There is an entire universe in any two chords. I have a strange style that utilizess the string tension of the 12-string to bounce on -- I call it "trampoline" -- and sometimes I take off a few accompaniment strings to get the sound I want, so I guess I'm turning it into an 8 or 9 string guitar -- except it's still really a 12-string, I think. I use a bare hand with a long thumbnail. I'm not sure what my right hand is doing. I can't see it or my thumb -- it's just a blur -- because it moves to fast or my mind works too slow or something. And if I try to force myself to play, the result is horrible. I have to just let my hands take over and kick back, then it works. It's like somebody else took over my body. It's like the opposite of what most 12-string players do, I think. I mean, I don't even know what chords I'm playing, I had an accident when I was a kid and I think in shapes, not symbols, when I play music, so it's really hard to explain. You can find me on Last.fm or Soundcloud if you want to freak yourself out.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST,Rick Masters
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:55 PM

link
https://soundcloud.com/rick-masters/infinite-journey-avocoder?in=rick-masters/sets/man-shall-follow-album


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: Mooh
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 08:22 AM

A couple of songs with my contemporary Irish/Canadian singer friend and band were in need of a change and the simple solution was the sonic addition of a 12 string. There was room in the mix, and the jingle-jangle sound isn't enough to sway the strong singer. Complacency and laziness sometimes makes me ignore the sonic advantages of changing it up, but in truth a 12 string (or dobro, or alternate tuning, or baritone, or nylon, or bouzouki...) can be just what the doctor ordered.

One thing I like is the occasional zouk-like tones one can get by using just the lower courses, or the occasional mando-like tones one can get by using just the higher courses in the higher positions. I wouldn't likely use these for a whole song, but for some embellishment, it's useful.

I'd rather use a 12 string than electronic chorus effect, and I'd rather use a 12 string than a second guitarist for select songs.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 15 - 02:35 AM

the twelve string is pretty much as easy as a 6 to play .
Its qualities are so much more .
   I have an 1984 Ovation ballarder deep bowl -ooh the richness of it all.
I play with it in standard tuning but have been known to tune it to alternate tunings -such a fun guitar...
This ovations sound has just improved over the years ,the guitar gets better with age and I have never had an issue with it .
I am using it on new songs and I will never give up the 12 shes so right ...GUy from Unison ....


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