Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Lanfranc Date: 26 Mar 04 - 06:36 AM I've nearly always had a 12-string in my armoury. The late Colin Scot was the first person I heard playing a decent one - a Gibson B45-12, and that prompted me to buy my first, cheap 12 - a £50 Egmond. It was not very well made and the neck warped within 2 years, but it did have something of the sound of Leadbelly's old Stella. Over the years I've had Yamahas, a Takamine and a couple of Washburns, but my current Martin DM12 knocks them all into a cocked hat! It cost me about GBP500 and was sold as a factory second, but the only flaw I can find with it is the slightly uneven application of the finish. The sound, action and intonation are spot on, and superior to a D18-12 owned by a friend - his opinion as well as mine. Another friend, Rick Thomas, owns the very Gibson B45-12 on which the Seekers intro to "I'll never find another you" was played. I once had the opportunity to buy a Stan Francis 12, but turned it down because I didn't like the feel of the neck. Stupid decision, but there you go. I covet George (el Greko)'s ability to fingerpick a 12, I still have to content myself with reasonably accurate flatpicking. I use an old Heriba capo, which has a plastic comb arrangement under the latex bar that frets the strings, and doesn't put them out, but I've nearly worn out the latex bit and I suspect that a replacement might be hard to find. Don't think I'd have a 12 as my only guitar, but wouldn't be without one. Alan |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Big Mick Date: 26 Mar 04 - 11:31 AM I own a '66 Guild 12. It is a wonderful instrument, with a great action and a voice to die for. Nicely balanced sound top to bottom. These old Guilds are heavy critters. I used to use it for rhythm and fingerstyle, but now I haul it out for specific songs, and mostly for fingerstyle when I am accompanying others. For example, we do Dark Island with our female fiddler/singer. When I accompany on that 12, it is magical. When I am performing solo, I use it a bit more than in the band. With a mando, fiddle, and banjo already in, the last thing we need is more treble strings. As to the capo, I used to have the tuning problem until Rick Fielding hauled out an old "U style with a clamp bar" and modified it for me. Basically he put a new pad on it made of linoleum, and then filed compensation slots that matched the individual strings. It is the best capo I have ever had for the 12. All the best, Mick |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: chris nightbird childs Date: 22 Oct 04 - 05:51 PM Thank you all for giving this incredible instrument it's due! I AM a serious modern 12-string player! My 1970's Ventura is pretty much my main instrument. Once I went with the 12, I just couldn't put it down! It contains my sound, and the sound of so many incredible players (thank you for mentioning Willie McTell, Mark). The time it takes me to string it is DEFINITELY worth the sound! From Celtic to Blues to Rock the 12-string has been there... |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: PoppaGator Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:30 PM When I met Lucinda Williams back in '72, when she was about 18-19 years old, she played a 12-string exclusively -- I'm pretty sure it was the only instrument she owned; may have been a Harmony, I don't remember for sure. And she fingerpicked it, with *four* fingers (thumb plus three, like a classical player except wearing picks.) That's some *strong* hands on a little teenaged girl! She was doing more covers than originals back then -- lots of Robert Johnson and Skip James numbers -- but she was already a very impressive young songwriter, as well as a highly skilled player and a very intense and soulful singer. Intimidated the hell out of me, that's for sure. I still find it hard to believe that it took so many years for her to finally get the recognition she deserves. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Bernard Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:49 PM Yes, Greg, I still have my old Eko Ranger 12 - far too quiet with a voice like mine! My thirty-five year-old Yamaha FG260 really shouts, though! I've always used 'standard' tuning, with the occasional dropped 'D'. I really cannot justify paying a lot of money out for anything else, the Yammy is in a class of its own! |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 23 Oct 04 - 06:16 AM I really love the 12 sound on the variax modelling acoustic sound guitar. Whilst this may not be for the folk purist, or the guy who has a guitar tech and an entourage to sort out all his pre-gig stuff. I find this instrument very satisfactory for pub gigs and the occasional folk gig. No more tuning problems, volume to die for, less hand strain - ease of access to open tunings. Its not an easy instrument to get to terms with, having said that. However earlier this year, I was contemplating putting together a gig using several guitars and when this thing came out earlier in the year, I knew I had to look at it. It is getting there. the greater volume you have makes it difficult to judge - particularly in different roooms. thats the current problem - there have been others. It took an age to understand how to tune it - the book was dreadful - luckily another mudcatter helped me out. All I'm saying is, if you want a 12 sound - you could do a lot worse if you're in a band. I work solo. For small quiet folk clubs - the acoustic is best. But for anything larger - say venues of 150 or so - the variax takes a lot of the crap out of the job - tuning problems, feedback etc anyway thats my opinion. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: chris nightbird childs Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:06 PM Yes, it all depends on what you're after. I've done coffeehouse gigs with just the 12 miked up, and no mike on my voice. Luckily I project enough that they could hear me at the back of the room! |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,banjoman Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:57 PM Although the name suggests nothing to do with 12 string guitars. my first "new" guitar was a Stella 12 string which had a short neck (12 frets) no truss rod and an action that needed vice like fingers to play. The sound it produced was great although the tuning did sometimes leave a bit to be desired. I then bought a japanese 12 string which eventually succumbed to a badly warped neck although a great sound impssible to keep in tune. About 2 years ago, I found a Washbourn cut away 12string, tuned to concert pitch with an action to dream of. Hardly ever goes out of tune and capo's well.I still play this one regularly and it has a place amongst all my banjos. I agree with former comments, that the 12 string is a special instrument in its own right. I have never regarded it a just another guitar with extra strings. PS I met Stan Francis a while back on a visit to Lancashire. Keep picin' |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Richard Bridge Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:26 PM Yes Dave, I was going to mention Pete. His provenance (from Donegan days) is considerable. El Greko, I have not forgotten the song you wrote about (Because she did). I am just awaiting the return of a Bjarton BJ12E I got from Denmark, and it has a BIG sound - maybe when you re in Kent you could PM me and we could work on the song using that guitar... Brian Rodgers (No Worries) also sometines picks a 12. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 24 Oct 04 - 11:35 AM Does anybody else remember Mark Spolestra on the Blues Project Album. There was this lovely solo in France Blues that haunted me for years. Is Mark still around? Also on that album - - She's Gone. Dave Peabody and Hugh McNulty used to do a shit hot version of that. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: synbyn Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:26 PM Check out Ian Kearey- his CD Preaching To The Convertible has one of the best cover shots ever! Saw him live last year & very powerful. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: red_clay Date: 26 Oct 04 - 10:27 PM geeezzzz,everytime i'm around a 12 string guitar player,all i hear is the ROOFTOP SINGERS'song,"walk right in!" dang,is that the only song these folks know? besides that,no 12 string guitar fits in oldtime and bluegrass music! if you "folkies " love it,so be it! but i'm not a fan of it at all!!! |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: chris nightbird childs Date: 27 Oct 04 - 02:39 AM why respond to a 12-string thread then? |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 27 Oct 04 - 07:54 AM Strawhead use one, Malcolm their guitarist uses it exclusively, cannot recall him ever playing anything else |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: red_clay Date: 27 Oct 04 - 07:57 AM geezzzz chris,with that kind of attitude,why have threads here at all?? |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: burntstump Date: 27 Oct 04 - 09:01 AM Gordon Lightfoot has played a Gibson B45 for nearly 40 years and swears by them for stage work and recording. Sundown must be a classic 12 string song. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Sailor Ron Date: 27 Oct 04 - 11:42 AM ROSS CAMPBELL OF RED DUSTER MUST BE ONE OF THE MOST TASTEFUL 12 STRING PLAYERS AROUND, HE FINGER PICKS HIS FYLDE 12 STRINGER LIKE TO DIE FOR |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Tom Stracke Southern CA. Date: 06 Dec 04 - 06:27 PM Gee, The 12 string. My EKO ranger 12 is my best friend. It's older thay my oldest Son. It's one of two 12 strings that share my emotions. The other is a 360 Ric. It's my calm. The sound,the strengh and emotion thay envoke is not of this world. They are demanding to play and yet rewarding to play. But find the lost cord on a 12 string and you find a love that will stay with you. I am only one of many Im sure. Thank you. Tom |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: George Papavgeris Date: 01 Aug 06 - 05:34 AM elves - please delete last post |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: kendall Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:42 AM If you haven't heard Gordon Bok's recording "A Rogues Gallery of 12 string tunes" you haven't heard one of the best pickers I have ever heard. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:48 AM Another player worth checking out is/was Pete Laity from Coventry. Very popular on the folkscene of the 80s/90s, Pete made a couple of LPs which demonstrated his truly virtuoso ability, albeit influenced by Gordon Giltrap (another whizz 12 stringer). Pete played a hand-made Rob Armstrong. Nowadays, he tends to prefer making a lot of noise on a Fender Telecaster in the Aardvark Ceildh Band, and rarely plays the 12 string. Shame! |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Jack Campin Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:59 PM Okay, what about ten strings? I acquired a Chinese-made Puerto Rican cuatro a while ago and I'm not quite sure yet what I can do with it. I play the ud a bit (and some related Middle Eastern fretless things tuned in fourths) so an instrument with the same sort of sensible tuning seemed like a good idea (low to high, it goes bB eE aA dd gg, none of those stoopid thirds like you get on guitars). It produces a massively solid sound for its size, but I still find the frets a bit of a nuisance. I believe these have been used in country music, anybody know where? I can see where the sound fits in for a typical country/bluegrass lineup - in effect it's like a tenor mandolin. Anybody use ud-style all-fourths tuning on a fretted 12-string? |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Grab Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:32 PM Jack, if you're in the UK then you should go and see Show of Hands. Steve Knightley uses a one of these. As you say, it projects amazingly - sounds a lot like a mandolin, and projects like a (good) mandolin, but it's a slightly different sound. Graham. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: leftydee Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:56 PM Check out Peter Case. His album "Plays Like Hell" is a classic. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Kaleea Date: 02 Aug 06 - 05:09 PM too hard to tune? too lazy to tune! try tuning my Spanish Laud which has 17 strings. Or my Harp which has 31. Or my Autoharp which has 35. Or a Hammered Dulcimer which can easily have over 150. Or a grand Piano which has about 230. Most 6 string Guitars I see being played have dust. Many players of various instruments never clean their instruments. I've seen dust under the mechanisms of woodwinds, brasses, & percussion instruments-also lots of tarnish. I've pulled all kinds of things out of instruments including pianos, such as combs, papers, pens, pencils, baby rattles & other toys & things which can't be mentioned in polite company. Sometimes people are just too lazy to do alot of things. Laziness may be the one thing that keeps some people from playing 12 stringed Guitars. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Greg Murf the Surf Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:44 AM I bought a fender f57 12 string when I was 18,second hand and it was my main guitar for 30 years. I have a Martin DM 6 string I play now, but am looking at getting the Martin D12x1 this week. I love the sound of 12 stings. It is a joy to listen to and play. I am looking forward to playing one again. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,APB Date: 31 Aug 06 - 11:48 AM I have a Bradbury 12 sting from the early 1930s...it is a tiny guitar...say around 34"-35"...but HOLY WOW, it is the loudest guitar you will ever hear. Unbelievable how light the guitar is for being so loud...I keep it tuned two steps below concert pitch (C to C) and it is really just unreal. I love the fullness of 12 string whether finger picking or flat (though I honestly can't use a flat pick much on this guitar cuz it really does get too loud). I also have a pretty crappy Epiphone from the early 90s, though it's an okay sound. Anyone know any good 12 string makers these days? I played a new Guild and they don't hold a candle to the old ones...any suggestions? |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: NormanD Date: 18 Feb 08 - 12:51 PM Just checking out this (and other) old 12-string thread. I've just borrowed an old 12-string which had failed the dusty fret board test (see above). It was a bugger to get in tune - awkward but not insurmountable - and my automatic pilot / default song was - you guessed it - "Walk Right In". And "Mr Tambourine Man". I've tuned it down a semi-tone, but might try a whole tone as others have advised. Any tips for songs that'll sound good for it? I don't mind if they're campfire-ish, I just want to develop a bit of confidence and more direction around the fretboard. Norman |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: kendall Date: 18 Feb 08 - 01:09 PM Farewell to Nova Scotia works on a 12. Duncan % Brady Lonesome Robin Patrick Spencer |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Wesley S Date: 18 Feb 08 - 01:37 PM Rock Island Line - or any other Leadbelly song. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 18 Feb 08 - 01:51 PM A good old thread! Nothing rings like a 12 when flat-picked or finger-picked, or has that rolling sustain. I have always been a sucker for any recorded music that has a twelve string jangling along in the rhythm, which is possibly why I'm stuck on the recorded music of 1965-1966. You HAD to have a 12 to be hip! Oh that those times should come again! |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: irishenglish Date: 18 Feb 08 - 02:16 PM Lonesome EJ-funny you mention that about having a 12 string made you hip! Simon Nicol of Fairport has said that mere possession of a 12 string (which he claims he couldn't really play) gave him a usefulness for one of Ashley Hutchings' pre-Fairport ventures, which eventually led to Fairport's formation! So you are spot on! |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Leadbelly Date: 18 Feb 08 - 02:21 PM Yeah,NormanD, according to Wesley S take an easy start with Irene and come to the end with Fannin Street, for example. Could be a fantastic journey with Huddie. Or try to do Stop that Thing (version of John Koerner!) resp. Take your Hands off it which is relatively simple to play. There are so many tunes suited for a 12 string. While writing this my Guild 312-Special on the wall gently weeps,haha Manfred |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Mark Ross Date: 18 Feb 08 - 02:21 PM You be Serious, I'll be Roebuck. I love a 12, tuned Leadbelly style(down to B, double octave on the bottom, unison 3rd), but tendonitis is making things a bit difficult at the moment. Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: NormanD Date: 18 Feb 08 - 04:16 PM OK, Ledbelly's gonna get a good looking at. I'll probably try Fannin Street via John Koerner. "Irene" is a little bit too campfire-ish, though straightforward to play. Sod it - "Irene" will be the first! Thanks Norman |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Grab Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:01 AM Anyone who doesn't try "Anji" on a 12-string doesn't know what they're missing. :-) One of these days I'll stop buying PA gear with my spare cash and buy an F212 instead... |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: folktheatre Date: 19 Feb 08 - 09:04 AM Check out Serious Sam Barrett (no joke) as a serious 12 stringer. www.myspace.com/sambarrett |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Laptop - no cookie Date: 19 Feb 08 - 10:34 AM No one mentioned open tuning yet! I was gonna get shot of my Hyundai (yes the same company) 12. Then one evening I tried it in open G. It sings!! Try Linda Thompsons "NO telling" in open G. Alan Clayton |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,banjoman Date: 19 Feb 08 - 11:01 AM I bought a Stella 12 string about forty years ago but lost it in a fire- Fantastic instrument but an action so high I needed a step ladder to play it. Now own & play regularly an old Washburn with a cut away body which I did a bit of rebuilding on. Tuned to E and used regulary when a banjo wont suffice. Stays in tune even when stored in its case for weeks, and has an action as low as my six string Lakewood. A great guitar |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,baz parkes Date: 19 Feb 08 - 11:19 AM The esteemed Bill Caddick does a fine job on a Framus Baz |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Waddon Pete Date: 19 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM I love when these old threads come back to life! I read the thread then got my 12 out of its case and we had a great time together! I use my Yamaha 12 on the songs it suits. It is in normal tuning and keeps in tune. If you haven't tried a 12-string........... Best wishes, Peter |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Leadbelly Date: 19 Feb 08 - 01:07 PM Which technique do 12 stringers prefer to play this instrument? Finger-picking or do you use a plectrum? Or purely a "shaking hand"? Surely, most times this depends upon the tune (and your abilities). But apart from this, what's your personal preference? Manfred |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Ross Campbell Date: 19 Feb 08 - 05:14 PM I've always (it seems) finger-picked instruments, starting on six-string guitar, five-string banjo (I blame Billy Connolly and Pete Seeger). Never figured out flat-picking on guitar to my satisfaction, so I don't do it. For a while I played tunes on a Portuguese mandolin (or Thueringer waldzither) - four double courses and a single bass fifth - with a plectrum, but went back to finger-picking that for song accompaniments. When I finally arrived at a twelve-string I liked (and now my instrument of choice after concertinas), it never occurred to me that there could be problems with finger-picking - so I never found any!? When I'm not fingerpicking concertinas I fingerpick a Fylde Falstaff 12-string. I use a dropped-D tuning, but tune the whole thing a tone flat ie C Bb C F A D and capo at the 2nd fret to get back to D A D G B E. This capo (a Jim Dunlop) stays in place more or less permanently, and I use a Shubb capo to move around the fretboard. This seems to keep the intonation fairly well in line, and only occasional corrections to one or two strings are ever required. So I can't see where the hard work comes in. Or maybe I've just been lucky with the guitars I've found - having Roger Bucknall of Fylde Guitars just round the corner when he started off may have helped - I have always found his instruments a joy to play. When I started getting interested in guitars (around 1965) there was a late-night programme on one of our two UK TV channels called "Hold Down a Chord", presented by John Pearse. He took a half-dozen beginners through the basics of song-accompaniment, and introduced them and audiences to the likes of Leadbelly, Reverend Gary Davis, Big Bill Broonzy and others. The series was followed by another on finger-style guitar which I think introduced the idea of guitar tablature to help figure out fingering. That's what got me started, and I've just kept going from there - if you stop learning, you might as well just stop! Today, even with umpteen digital channels, you couldn't find such a programme in the listings. How do you learn these days? I guess some things like guitar tabs are more readily available with the Internet, and a few YouTube videos I have seen could give you pointers to how to play stuff, but seeing people playing live was always the best for me - in the '70s you could go to a folk-club every night in a twenty-mile radius from here (and I occasionally tried!), but now there's only one club in the North-West booking guests on a weekly basis (the Clarence, Blackpool). And twelve-string players are pretty rare in the line-up - but that wouldn't decide for me whether to go to a gig, anyway. A good player of whatever instrument is always worth hearing/seeing. You can always take some little thing away to try - I'm still trying to figure out some of John James' ragtime guitar pieces for Anglo concertina! Ross |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Leadbelly Date: 20 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM RossCampbell, was a real pleasure, to read your contribution! Many thanks, Manfred |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Ross Campbell Date: 20 Feb 08 - 04:18 PM Thanks, Manfred I should also have credited a few other influences when I was starting out. A whole bunch of us at school all seemed to find guitar at the same time, so there was that helpful rivalry/copying thing going on. Already interested in folk music through the Clancy Brothers, Spinners, Corries, Islanders, Robin Hall & Jimmy MacGregor etc, I roomed with a guy at Strathclyde and competed over who could master Anji or Classical Gas first - it seems amazing to me now that you could buy the sheet music for Davey Graham's Anji in any music store in Glasgow back then ( I still have it somewhere)- try finding it now! Discovered the Glasgow Folk Centre in the top of a tenement opposite the old Anderson's University building. They had a library of LPs you could borrow for very little, found the Incredible String Band in amongst their collection. Strathclyde University Folk Club used the rooms on Wednesday evenings - Barbara Dickson and Rab Noakes played some of their earliest gigs there, others I remember were Alan Tall and old Davey Stewart. Brian Miller seemed to be running the club (one of the other residents I remember was Artie Tresize) and also taught folk guitar on Wednesday afternoons when we had no classes and were supposed to be engaging in athletic pursuits. I learned claw-hammer from Brian and I guess that still forms the basis of how I play (though you might not recognize it!) The last I heard of him he had joined the folk/traditional teaching staff at the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama under Brian McNeill (Battlefield Band). I somehow missed the ISBs, either they had moved on before I reached Glasgow or I was asleep for my first couple of years at Uni (a real possibility). Archie Fisher and the East Fife Road Show stand out in my memory, and Archie later became a regular visitor (and poster-boy!) at the Fylde guitar factory in Kirkham. His first album was and remains one of my favourites. It's one of the few that Dave Bulmer (Celtic Music) got around to re-releasing. A long-gone guitar hero from that time was Hamish Imlach. Notorious back then for drug busts, "Cod-Liver Oil and the Orange Juice" and other songs of real life in central Scotland that your mother and father would prefer you didn't know (or sing), he could get some great blues and ragtime licks out of his Guild guitar. Gordon Giltrap was another Fylde customer (and another of those magicians who can make a six-string sound like a twelve-string and a twelve-string sound like a quartet). Still haven't got my head round Rizraklary (sp?) forty years on. That was on an album of acoustic guitar (The Guitar Sampler) which also featured Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, Ralph McTell and a host of others, all of whom I followed up for tunes and playing-styles. Some of these guys are still playing forty years on, but where are the players of today? And who are they? Any nominations? |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Britt Date: 27 Feb 08 - 11:07 PM I play finger style 12-string guitar. I think the 12-string is the best acoustic instrument to practice on, because it is harder. On the left hand, bar chords, pull-offs and hammers are more difficult. And on the right hand, it takes a lot of practice to accurately play between the narrower courses of the 12-string, and more finger strength and control to attack two strings, instead of one. The good thing about a 12-string guitar is that they're easier to sing with. With all those strings, even a poor singer like myself, can sometimes be in tune with one of them. The guitar I play is a National steel-bodied 12-string Delphi. I play blues and ragtime, and when I'm on top of it, this guitar is something to hear. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,jeff Date: 28 Feb 08 - 02:52 AM Used to have a very nice 69 Martin D-12-35 which I sold years ago. Recently, I've been rehearsing for an upcoming traditional recording using my wife's 'Martin label' Takamine 12 string. All solid mahogany. The tuners are original and though they're a fairly lowgrade set they hold pitch very well. The 3 songs selected so far for 12 string are 'Flora, The Lily of the West', 'The Last Rose of Summer' and 'Wildwood Flower'. It's like falling in love. I find myself getting lost in the shimmering tones just sitting and playing G and C back and forth for 1/2 an hour. The one thing I've really had to work on is 'sounding' both strings when doing melody/rhythm solos. There's practically no such thing as an 'upstroke' while playing a melody because the smaller 'octave' string wont ring on the upstroke. I'm also at the same time trying to do arrangements of 'Wade in the Water' w/a 'dropped D' and 'Wafaring Stranger' w/t same tuning. Neither of those songs will be played on 12, but it's whipping me into shape, that's for sure. What it's forcing me to do is to re-develope my finger picking w/finger picks instead of bare fingers. She's stern taskmaster, this Miss Tak and isn't giving up her music easily, but I've a feeling when I've earned it she'll reveal she's had a heart and soul of pure gold the whole time. When I get a keeper take on any of the aforementioned songs I'll post them on my myspace page and let you all have at it...and in true Mudcat fashion I'll expect to be called on it if I cut any corners. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Terry Date: 26 Oct 08 - 09:25 AM I'm a lefty ragtime picker and came across a 12 on ebay so I just had to get it. it's a Daon (rebadged Yamaki).Got a great sound but I think the trebles are a bit thin. Now I had an LP of Mississippi John Hurt. the photo showed him holding a 12 string and the unusual thing is the trebles had a wire wound string like the bass's. this would give a richer sound to the thin end. but what string could it be? They were strung opposite of the bass's. I suspect the E would be an extra light wire wound and the B might be an extra light A wire wound. I dunno, any clues anyone before I file a bigger slot?.But aint it easy to play a six after playing a 12? MJM's Casey Jones goes real well on a 12 by the way. Leo Kotke plays some kind of open tuning |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: Lowden Jameswright Date: 26 Oct 08 - 09:36 AM I had a Daion 12 string for 20 years - great sound, loads of volume - played it as a 12, then a 6, then a 9 string before getting hold of a 6 string Norman and realising there were much easier guitars to play out there. Now I have a 12 string Norman to go with it - absolutely brilliant guitar. I'm still tempted to ditch the octave strings on the E, A and D though as it gives loads of bass punch and a very distinctive sound that sets it out from the crowd. |
Subject: RE: Any serious 12 strings players left? From: GUEST,Sean Date: 06 Dec 10 - 01:48 PM I happened upon this thread sifting through posts about Snaker Ray. At the expense of committing the inexcusable crime of shameless self promotion, I thought this would be the place for it. Here goes. I haven't played out often, barring acting as an opener a few times for psychedelic bands who's fans cast disconcerted stares, but I'd like to consider myself a 12-string player...serious depends on the context. Opinions from folk/blues enthusiasts such as yourselves would be greatly appreciated, thanks. -Sean |
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