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Steamboat coonjine songs

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Mark Clark 27 Jan 04 - 06:52 PM
Dead Horse 27 Jan 04 - 07:26 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 28 Apr 07 - 09:21 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add:Roust-A-Bout
From: Mark Clark
Date: 27 Jan 04 - 06:52 PM

Re. Richie (07 Dec 02 - 12:12 AM)

The song referenced isn't a coonjine song at all. If my information is correct is was written by Billy Graves and Jake Lambert ©1967 Flatt & Scruggs Publishing. Also the lyrics found on the Internet must be from the same source because they are mostly all wrong. The actual lyrics are below. It's a great bluegrass tune. I'll try to get it fixed up and properly submitted in it's own thread.

      - Mark

Roust-A-Bout

The fog is rollin' down the river
Dark clouds hangin' mighty low
It's a long long way from ol' St Louis
To the Gulf of Mexico

   Refrain:
   I make my home on the Mississippi
   I'm roust-a-bout on a steamboat line
   We hit the deck on a Monday morning
   We make the docks on a Saturday night

Well I had me a girl way down in Vicksburg
I used to stop every time I passed
Till she made off with a riverboat gambler
With a new silk hat and a little mustache

Now when I die I've got one favor
Don't lay me down in the cold cold ground
Just take me out to the middle of the river
And roll me over and point me south


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Dead Horse
Date: 27 Jan 04 - 07:26 PM

Just came accross this tidbit.
Chris Strachwitz, Arhoolie Productions, president, discussing the origins of his Arhoolie Record label.
"I had thought of names like Delta, Gulf, Down Home, etc., for my label when Mack McCormick suddenly suggested ARWHOOLIE! My initial response was: "AR what?" But soon the name, at least a part of which apparently means a field holler, seemed rather appropriate for the music I wanted to record. The word, spelled as above by the recordist, appeared on a Library of Congress recording made in Mississippi and apparently was the response of the singer when asked what he called the selection just recorded. I have since heard the word "hoolie" in reference to a field holler but I think the "ar" in front of it was simply the man stuttering a bit in Mississippi fashion when somewhat nervous!"


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 09:21 PM

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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 10:00 PM

Here are two reposts from the Mudcat thread thread.cfm?threadid=36781&messages=22 may be of interest to those people who are curious about the Coonjine dance:

Subject: RE: Rolling to Cairo Town/Background
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 07:36 PM

Here's an excerpt from Lynne Fauley Emery's book "Black Dance from 1619 to Today" {second edition; Princeton Book Company, 1988, pps 1146-147}:

"The Coonjine, another of the river dances, was still "remembered in scattered areas through the Antilles" as late as 1963. In the Caribbean, however the dance was performed during carnival time and called the "Counjaille", while in the United States the Coonjine was performed on the waterfront by the black roustabouts and "was a rhythmic shuffle affected to expedite loading and unloading..." Harold Courlander reported:

'The term Counjaille, or Coojine is still used in southern United States waterfront areas to mean moving or loading cotton, an activity that once, in all probablility, was accompanied by Counjaille-type songs and rhythms. Negro children on the docks and levies sand such songs as:

Throw me a nickle, throw me a dime
If you want to see me do the Coojine.'

According to Mary Wheeler. The Coonjine was a combination of song and dance connected with frieght handling on the steamboats.

'The "plank walk" springs under a heavy weight or even under the lighter step of the rouster when he trots back again empty handed for more freight. To avoid jarring, the feet are dragged along the stage plank accompanied by a song that takes its rhythm from the shuffling feet and swaying shoulders.'

Allen, Ware, and Garrison mentioned the Coonjai and described it as a sort of Minuet, Unfortunately, although the authors spparently saw the dance, they described the musical accompaniment rather than the movements".

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Subject: RE: Rolling to Cairo Town/Background
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 09:57 PM

Here's another online reference to the Counjaille:

"Counjaille.
One of the popular tunes in Guadeloupe «Counjaille O Counjaille etc...) and is proof of a Congolese presence in the country. This term describes a dance from the Congolese ritual, traces of which can be found in Guadeloupe and Santo Domingo in 1807/1809 at a time when ethnic groups were travelling from these countries to New Orleans to escape from the Napoleonic wars.

In the same way as the bamboula, Calinda, Chacha etc., these dances were performed from French Guiana to New Orleans as well as Santo Domingo and all of the French West Indies. …

It is important to specify that in the Creole language, this word can mean several different things. The same word describes the music, dance, group gathering, etc"

http://svr1.cg971.fr/lameca/dossiers/gwoka/references/glossaire/glossaire_eng.html

-snip-

Given the antiquity of the Counjaille dance, it appears that the roustabouts may have adapted those dance steps to fit their needs rather than independently created the Coonjine dance.

Also, similar to the glossary, in the United States, the word Coonjine apparently came to be used as a referent for the roustabouts' particular movements, and the dance that Black children and others imitated from those movements, the songs which accompanied that dance, and the dock workers themselves.


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 07 - 12:00 AM

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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 12:36 PM

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Subject: 'Coonjine Baby Coonjine' Mary Wheeler
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:33 PM

Mary Wheeler's papers still exist, and here's a "Coonjine, Baby, Coonjine" that didn't make the cut for her essential book _Steamboatin' Days_:

http://digitalcollections.mclib.net/luna/servlet/detail/McCracken~13~13~125~2245:Coonjine,Baby,-Coonjine?qvq=q:coonjine&mi=0&trs=2


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: GUEST,harpgirl
Date: 17 Jul 17 - 09:30 PM

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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:24 AM

Mary Wheeler also collected and edited a songbook titled ROUSTABOUT SONGS which I've been mining for a new CD which I should have finished by December, titled "Steamboat Days."

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:27 AM

Here's a link to my version of "Roll Out! Heave Dat Cotton!": Click here for a good time!

Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:51 AM

Oddly enough, whenever I go back to my hometown and actually think about it, I do look for coonjine songs (see my post of 07 Dec 2002 or thereabouts). Haven't found any new ones yet -- my best sources have all up and died. Not surprising, as one of them was 85+ when I started. But the search continues. From mid-August to early September I'm taking a riverboat down the Mississippi from Minisoda to Nawleens and if I hear any (doubtful!) I'll post them.


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: GUEST,Mim
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 10:26 PM

I know nothing about coonjine but one of the songs made me remember one I heard my father sing. I have no idea where he heard it. His ancestry is Scottish and we lived in Oregon.

Sing a song of the city
Roll that cotton bale
Nigger ain't half so happy
As when he's outa jail
Norfolk for your oyster shells,
Boston for your beans
Charleston for your rice and corn
But for the nigger, New Orleans.


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 03:48 PM

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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 09:53 AM

I've been looking for a song said to have been sung by roustabout called "The Parting Song." There's a lot of songs by that title but so far I can't seem to find a good match.

Here's the reference and commentary:

"The Parting Song" as described in "Down the Mississippi" by George Ward Nichols, Harper's New Monthly Magazine, Vol. 41, November, 1870, p. 836:

"At the hour appointed the lines were cast loose, and we backed easily out from among the crowd of steamers which lay at the levee... At the bow of the boat were gathered the negro deck-hands, who were singing a parting song. A most picturesque group they formed, and worthy the graphic pencil of Johnson or Gerome. The leader, a stalwart negro, stood upon the capstan shouting the solo part of the song, the words of which I could not make out, although I drew very near; but they were answered by his companions in stentorian tones at first, and then, as the refrain of the song fell into the lower part of the register, the response was changed into a sad chant in mournful minor key."

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 21 - 09:30 AM

I found a coonjine song that was sung during the race between the Natchez and the Rob't E Lee.

Homer Bassford, "On the Old Mississippi Speedway", Saturday Evening Post (6 January 1900):

Oh, fare you well, Miss July,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
I'm gwine away to leave you,
Oh, oh, oh. oh, oh!
I'm gwine down the ribber,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
Lumber Louisiana,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
We are bound for to beat em,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
Old Stormy was a mighty man,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
He whipped his wife and sold his son,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
He sold him for a bacon ham!
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!

I believe "On the Trail of Negro Folk-Songs" provides the tune for this. You can test this out on a guitar; it is a very credible tune.

This song can be traced to an earlier coonjine song from 1838, from the "Natchez Courier": gbooks

Fare you well forebear
I'm gwine away to leave you
CHORUS. Oh, oh oh oh oh
Oh, oh, I'm gwine way to leave you
Oh, oh oh!

What dat floaten dar
I tink he tick o wood
CHORUS

What dat in the cane brake
I tink him alligator
CHORUS

Orleans mighty city
St Louis beat him hollow
CHORUS

What's dat coming yonder
I b'liev t'is Miss Dinah
CHORUS

She's my gal for sartin
See de nigger grinnin
CHORUS

This is further interesting because the melody seems workable for this song too.


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 28 May 21 - 08:53 PM

Guest Mim's song appears in (of all places!) The New Song Fest (1958, p. 80):

Sing a Song of Cities

Sing a song of cities; roll dat cotton bale;
Rustabout am happy, as long's he's out of jail;
Norfolk fo' its oyster shells, Boston fo' its beans;
Cha'leston fo' it's rice an' corn, but fo' lassies, New Orleans.

A better version, on the whole.

If I dared, I would follow it up with The Beer Bottle (in the same book) and even "Man on top of woman".


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 23 - 09:09 PM

There's a bit of discussion in this thread of "Under the Hill," a section of Natchez that lay under the bluff and where roustabouts and other river folks gathered to drink, dance, and sing. Here's my take on this scene:

By Charlie Ipcar, ©2020 (7/5/2020)
Tune: traditional field holler
Key: Dm (7/Gm)
Way Down Under the Hill-2


Grand Chorus:

Dm--------------C
Way down! (Way down!)
Dm-----------C-----------Dm
Way down, under the hill!
-------------------------C
Roll on down and get your fill,
Dm-----------C-----------Dm
Way down, under the hill!

Dm-----------------------------C
There was a place, there may be still,
Dm-----------C------------Dm
Way down, under the hill,
--------------------------------C
A saloon well known as Under-the-Hill,
Dm-----------C------------Dm
Way down, under the hill;
-------------------------------- C
That joint was loud, the beer was cold,
Dm-----------C-----------Dm
Way down, under the hill,
------------------------------C
It chilled the body but not the soul,
Dm------------C----------Dm
Way down, under the hill! (CHO)

Now when you gets to Natchez town,
Way down, under the hill,
You sing and dance the night around,
Way down, under the hill;
You spend and spend all your pay,
Way down, under the hill,
And roll away at the break of day,
Way down, under the hill! (CHO)

Now who was dancin’ the “Funky Chicken”?
Way down, under the hill,
Ol’ John Hartford, his banjo pickin’,
Way down, under the hill;
Swing ‘er high an’ swing ‘er low,
Way down, under the hill,
It’s time for us to roll and go,
Way down, under the hill! (CHO)

Here’s to that gal Coal-Black Rose,
Way down, under the hill,
She’s coal-black from head to toes,
Way down, under the hill;
And how that gal could dance and sing,
Way down, under the hill,
Why she could do most anything,
Way down, under the hill. (CHO)

And here’s to the crew where’er they be,
Way down, under the hill,
Ed Smith, Shorty, and The Cherokee,
Way down, under the hill;
They done their work and they done it well,
Way down, under the hill,
And there’s many a tale that’s left to tell,
Way down, under the hill. (CHO)

And here’s a round to Captain Don,
Way down, under the hill,
And may he steam forever on,
Way down, under the hill;
He know the river and he know it well,
Way down, under the hill,
He’d even run the Gates of Hell,
Way down, under the hill. (CHO)

C---------------------------Dm
Way down, under the hill!

This song was inspired by conversations with retired river captain Don Saners.

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: Steamboat coonjine songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 23 - 09:09 PM

There's a bit of discussion in this thread of "Under the Hill," a section of Natchez that lay under the bluff and where roustabouts and other river folks gathered to drink, dance, and sing. Here's my take on this scene:

By Charlie Ipcar, ©2020 (7/5/2020)
Tune: traditional field holler
Key: Dm (7/Gm)
Way Down Under the Hill-2


Grand Chorus:

Dm--------------C
Way down! (Way down!)
Dm-----------C-----------Dm
Way down, under the hill!
-------------------------C
Roll on down and get your fill,
Dm-----------C-----------Dm
Way down, under the hill!

Dm-----------------------------C
There was a place, there may be still,
Dm-----------C------------Dm
Way down, under the hill,
--------------------------------C
A saloon well known as Under-the-Hill,
Dm-----------C------------Dm
Way down, under the hill;
-------------------------------- C
That joint was loud, the beer was cold,
Dm-----------C-----------Dm
Way down, under the hill,
------------------------------C
It chilled the body but not the soul,
Dm------------C----------Dm
Way down, under the hill! (CHO)

Now when you gets to Natchez town,
Way down, under the hill,
You sing and dance the night around,
Way down, under the hill;
You spend and spend all your pay,
Way down, under the hill,
And roll away at the break of day,
Way down, under the hill! (CHO)

Now who was dancin’ the “Funky Chicken”?
Way down, under the hill,
Ol’ John Hartford, his banjo pickin’,
Way down, under the hill;
Swing ‘er high an’ swing ‘er low,
Way down, under the hill,
It’s time for us to roll and go,
Way down, under the hill! (CHO)

Here’s to that gal Coal-Black Rose,
Way down, under the hill,
She’s coal-black from head to toes,
Way down, under the hill;
And how that gal could dance and sing,
Way down, under the hill,
Why she could do most anything,
Way down, under the hill. (CHO)

And here’s to the crew where’er they be,
Way down, under the hill,
Ed Smith, Shorty, and The Cherokee,
Way down, under the hill;
They done their work and they done it well,
Way down, under the hill,
And there’s many a tale that’s left to tell,
Way down, under the hill. (CHO)

And here’s a round to Captain Don,
Way down, under the hill,
And may he steam forever on,
Way down, under the hill;
He know the river and he know it well,
Way down, under the hill,
He’d even run the Gates of Hell,
Way down, under the hill. (CHO)

C---------------------------Dm
Way down, under the hill!

This song was inspired by conversations with retired river captain Don Saners.

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar


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