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I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?

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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: M.Ted
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:17 PM

Damn--I wish I'd thought of that!!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Stewart
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:03 AM

I got a brand new Martin D18 for $99! Of course that was in 1956, but I still have it and play it all the time.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:10 AM

Alright, I'll share a closely guarded secret I got from Jeffp. Go to Shopgoodwill.com and bid on one. There are dozens of gems!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:13 AM

Well, Stewart, you never know what you might find. I bought an unblemished D-28 (mfgd in 1957) in 1965 for $185 in a pawn shop. So, maybe MTed just needs to time travel.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 03:24 AM

If you go to ebay and search for "B-Band" you will find both US and European sources for guitars already fitted with the B-Band A 3.2 preamp and UST so cheap it almost makes sense to buy them to take the B-Band system out for use in other guitars. There's a concert cutaway for 109 Euros, and a dradnought cutaway for 179 Euros. I suspect that when they get to the USA they are branded Johnson for there are some very similar Johnsons also with B-Band stuff in, also at well under $200 - sort of the $150 to $170 mark


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: leftydee
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 03:09 PM

You can buy a really good Art & Lutherie Guitar on Ebay for $150 or so. Please note, I did say REALLY GOOD. These are made by Seagull and they are wonderful guitars. I've been a Martin snob for years ( I still own several)but played a Seagull and loved it and bought it. Then found the cheaper version, Art & Lutherie. I gig them now. There's nothing lost in tone or playability and I don't spend hours worrying about the safety of the guitar. You can't go wrong! Lefty


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Mooh
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 06:18 PM

Well, there's a lot to be said for gigging with cheaper axes, especially if you're plugged in. Many pickups loose enough of the original tone and timbre that a mic would hear, so basically what is heard is as much pickup as guitar. When that's the case and there's a risk to a better guitar, the cheaper one might be the ticket. Mind you, I don't ever leave home without my better guitar(s) because I'm prepared to take the risk, but I don't play the dives like I used to. There have been bass gigs lately where I even fear for the solidbodies, and that's scary.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Merritt
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:05 PM

Have to echo the accolades for Seagull, S & P, A & L. For the money. they're making good feeling & playing guitars. I bought a used 1999 Simon & Patrick 12-string in June 05 for US$300 in a cardboard case. It'd hardly been played. Very low action w/ no buzzing, intonation fair-good, solid spruce top with laminated cherry sides and back, tuners stay put, on-board B-Band EQ. I've been playing it pretty regular at home and out. A very solid instrument.

It helped that I was in no hurry to buy. Had a rough profile of the sort of 12-string I was looking for and after a couple of months this guitar just drifted across the radar screen.

I've had problems with other low-cost guitars, e.g., $350 Cort, that just didn't seem to be all that solid and were constantly in the shop getting repaired or adjusted.

If you go to the $600-800 range, a whole range of neat options open up. I also have a no-frills 2002 Martin 000-15C with solid mahogany top, sides & back made in a union shop that has seen a lot of play. I've had the neck adjusted once and it's due for a fret redressing, but this is likewise a sturdy instrument and not so pricey that I'm afraid to take it out.

Just my 2 cents.

- Merritt


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: M.Ted
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:20 PM

The traditional price ranges for guitar a young person are "my food for the week","My rent for the month", and "my tuition"--For an older person, they are "my credit card limit", "my Tax refund", and "my uncle died"--

You can use this, but tell em where you heard it:-)


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 03:30 PM

Even if you want a guitar you don't have to worry about the kids, pets your drunk friends etc. screwing up, It still pays to get a good one. I bought a used Yamaha classical in 1990. It's been to war with me and ina house with a minimum of two cats since. it goes with me to every reenacment I go to so it sees some hard use. Quality telss even if you don't want to worry about the guitar. Kindest regards, Neil


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Sherlock Holmes (Friend of Doc Watson)
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:06 PM

The Martin D-18 is a very fine guitar. At least, most of them are.

That being said, if one is endowed with a brain, one does not buy a guitar without examining it first, or at least having some knowledge of the reputation of the luthier. I have seen lousy Martins. If you buy a guitar on the basis of brand name alone, then you are as stupid as you are trying, in your typically suave and sophisiticated way, to accuse me of being.

Go sit on your own guitar, you mindless twit!

That's alimentary, my dear Martin!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 10:02 PM

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/s=acoustic/search/detail/base_pid/518640/

This is a lead to Musicians Friend . THere is a great little package .Its a Epiphone sort of like a Gibson LOO blues king but with a cutaway and also electic pick ups . If I needed another guitar that covered a lot of baces inexpensivly I might try this one . Try cuting and pasting above and have a look. All the best , Guy


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 12:11 AM

I found a raven 1000q,made in korea for 154.00,The guy that was coming up with these commited suicide,but his company was bought out by ravenwest guitars,this guitar is a real beauty and sounds great through my cheap vox 15advt-check them out.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Zena
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:03 PM

Go to a car boot sale


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:26 PM

Try Sam Ash. I was there a while ago and they had a plain brown guitar that looked very like a rip off of that mahogany Martin that people make so much fuss about.

I tried both of them side by side and Damned if that $100 Sam Ash copy didn't sound better. They had a few other cheapies that sounded pretty good as well.

Ya just gotta try them. Oh, and if you're buying a cheapie, make sure that you take the actual demo model that you tried. They'll often say, Oh I'll ge and get you a new one still in it's box.

It's my opinion that people who buy well known names like Martin, do so using 'Peter's Placebo" which states 'that an ounce of image is worth a pound of performance'.

Bert (on Rachael's computer}


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 09:59 AM

Martin Gibson is right - you don't need a cheap guitar. Get a good one and be happy.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 10:08 AM

Here's an edifying story re "the Classical Guitar that my wife found at Goodwill for $15 is developing a split in the back--"

When my beloved guitar suffered an accident which caused a split in the top, I raced to the phone and called my brother, the expert. He said, "This is the important part. Does the crack cross a glued joint?" The answer was no.

Acting upon his advice, my husband and I put the smallest bit we could use in the drill and drilled round holes at the ends of the splits. (He operated the drill, I held the guitar steady.) The holes needed to be just slightly bigger than the width of the splits. Since my splits were narrow, our "bit" was a sewing-machine needle.

Why? A round hole at the end of a split stops it from propagating.

Then I went to the hardware store and bought some wood putty to match the guitar. I filled up the round holes and pushed it into the splits as best I could. (The putty wasn't necessary to the sound of the guitar, I just thought it looked better.) The guitar has played as well as ever since then.

Perhaps you can apply this cure to the classical guitar.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,wld
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 08:42 AM

nice to hear from Martin anyway. Don't be nasty to him.

Where are you? is the point. I know where to get guitars in England, but if you're someplaace else - my advice is pointless.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Davetnova
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 09:57 AM

i bought a Faith jumbo last year. Less than 300 GBP. A beautiful fulltoned guitar, Ihad to lower the bridge saddle a bit. I've just been asked to repair a Lowden, I was almost in tears someone stood on it, and the the neck profile/width is identical. I can't compare the tones yet because the back of the Lowden is totalled but the the feel of the neck is identical.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,fire hose
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 11:12 PM

nuthin funner than cheap guitars and stinky breath


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 03:12 PM

well i got a cheap guitar and its acutally not bad. its was only like 120 bucks. its an epiphone gibson sg special. and its not a bad little guitar, well worth the money. i enjoy it. its cheap and it wails so if u need a cheap guitar i would say go with one of those.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Sieffe
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 03:23 PM

get thee to a secondhand shop and hunt down a used Ibanez Vintage series . . . or a very old Yamaha . . .these were made good for two separate reasons . . . the Ibanez was first grade wood with visual flaws so they stained them dark brown to disguise them, and the Yamahas were made so well when they started because they were copying Martins, Gibsons, etc . . . and wanted to compete for sound . . . by now they should be still good albeit scratched to hell . . . all the better for someone not to steal them!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:38 PM

Cheap guitars these days are way better than the cheap alternatives of the past, thanks to computerized reverse engineering coupled with cheap Asian labor. As long as a company does a decent job selecting ther woods from which they fabricate their instruments, their products can be really pretty decent.

Washburns, for example, are a great deal for the money; the company is a longtime well-established American firm currently doing all their manufacturing in China. I'm sure there are several other brand names doing the same thing, and I'm also sure that all their products are similarly OK.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Bubblyrat
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:02 PM

I absolutely endorse what Sieffe said about Yamahas. I was playing "folk" with some other people out in Singapore in the 60s, & the guitar we ALL wanted was a Yamaha dreadnought. I know a guy in Poole,England,who regularly plays a Yamaha made in,I think,around 1969-70. It sounds superb !! The ones to look for have smallish,orange labels inside, and should be pretty cheap, IF the seller doesn"t realise what he"s got !!! Failing that,get an oldish,well -used Washburn, have it re-fretted if it needs it, and off you go !!!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:28 PM

my faves at the moment are Cort and Faith guitars. I 'd say spend a hundred and get someone to set it up for you - about £50 - possibly more if you neeed the nut and bridge replacing. You have to do this setting up business - even if you buy a Martin nowadays.

You need someone who makes nice guitars, and understands guitar construction thoroughly.

best of luck!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:33 PM

Yeah, right, red label Nippon Gakkis, cheap. Hmm. We advise fraud do we?

Ayers sound good and are fairly reasonable. Indie (from Indonesia, geddit?)sometimes sound good and are reasonable.

A setup ought not to be £50 More like £20 or £30 unless a new nut and saddle are needed, which they ought not to be at this level. Usually they can be filed down OK.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:53 PM

My 'orders' with a set-up are always the same. I want it as playable as possible,and sounding as good as possible, given the guitars limitations.

with cheap guitars - the truss rod needs adjusting, the frets are nearly always uneven, and snag somewhere or other. The nut and saddle are plastic, a decent luthier will sort you out a bone one at the exact width you want for your choice of strings and the optimum 'action' height. The pegs can usually be improved. the holes for the pegs have been cut by a machine and the pegs have been inserted by a machine. they need to be at the right size.

they say the late Lenny Bruce used to buy the cheapest denims from the supermarket and get them them tailored exquisitely. Personnlly its the approach, I favour. I know a lot of people disagree. They say buy something decent.

However I like this way. I can't afford the best, but I can get something that suits me.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: M.Ted
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:44 AM

Good advice, WLD--you never fail to amaze me--


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 08:13 AM

The thing about the Cort and faith guitars they are solid wood - not just the top but the sides neck and back, aussi.

I picked up a Faith Saturn (thats a solid wood dreadnought) on e-bay for a hundred and fifty. I've ordered a K& K transducer (recommended by Jack Hudson from America - bout forty quid)> i got a gig bag with the Faith, which traded in for a Peavey Hard case (actually I traded in 3 gig bags they keep giving me the bloody useless things!- but the Peavey is a bargain at £50 from Music Inn Nottingham, even if you've got nothing to trade in).

I'm hoping to get Alan Marshall of Northwood guitars to fit the transducer and get it playable - it absolutely sings as it is - beautiful tone.

I'm hoping to do the whole thing for maybe £320.

Just before Christmas I got a new Cort PCW 360 from an Italian site for £360. Really did need a set up, and a stagg case fitted it for £60. the Fishaman prefix system that youb get with the Cort, costs round about £170 if you look for it on e-bay.

I'm trying to get three solid wood guitars together for not much more than the £1250 I traded three yamaahas in for. I need them to be electro acoustic as I like FX.


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: number 6
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 09:36 AM

There are a lot of 'cheap' good, if not exceptional guitars coming from the Orient these days ..... good solid tone woods, good quality, and most of good sound.

examples being ... Blueridge, Johnson Carolinas, Guilds GAD series (very impressive), Epiphone Masterbilts.

Gone are the days when a Chinese guitar was untouchable junk.

biLL


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Scrump
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:41 PM

The people who say "don't play a cheap guitar, get a good one" are missing the point. Of course a good guitar is better than a cheap one, but there are occasions when you don't want to use your best guitar - a gig in a rough pub, for example. I now have a bunch of guitars which I bought for different purposes.

My advice is to buy on ebay - there are some great bargains to be had, but the risk is that you might get ripped off. To avoid that, do your homework first, check the buyer's feedback, etc., and you should be OK, as with buying anything else on ebay. (I got a good guitar in immaculate, as new condition, with all the trimmings, for around half the shop price).


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 03:43 PM

Shop Goodwill online and you'll find a cheep guitar!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 10:38 AM

My baby is my 3561 Tama circa 1974, however I cringe at even removeing her from her blanket wrap (I dont use a case). I was in desprite need of something I could slam ,drop, or leave by the campfire.Ebay is a great place to shop for a beater, I found a 3/4 size Fender that suits my needs nicely.People tend to ask to much from a $200 guitar and its just not going to happen.There are way to many of us that have a "BABY" and are to afraid to use them.I spend 90% of my time on my other guitars and hardly ever touch the Tama.ITS SAD FOLKS !! My advise spend the money , but play her.In fact gonna bring her out of hibernation right now.       Phlyonthewall


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: Gurney
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 11:03 PM

Try a Jack and Danny Brothers guitar. I bought one online for NZ$81 and I love it.
Very well made in Taiwan. Perfectly set up, and unmarked. $81! If I'd paid $500 I'd be happy!


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Subject: RE: I need a cheap guitar!! Your thoughts?
From: GUEST,Bardan
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 10:44 AM

I don't actually know all that much about guitars, but the best advice in buying any instrument is to go somewhere with a lot of choice and play lots of them and take the one you like the sound/playability of.

Beware of buying a cheapie you can bash around without worrying about it. If you're sentimental enough you'll end up falling in love with it however flawed it is. My emergency stopgap busking violin has been with me for four or five years now and its been all over the place with me. I might buy a nicer one once I've got the money, but the cheapie has far too much sentimental value now for me to be blase about it getting knocked around.


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