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MudGuard 08 Dec 99 - 02:09 AM
T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird) 08 Dec 99 - 09:21 AM
MudGuard 16 Dec 99 - 04:54 AM
Brendy 17 Dec 99 - 02:12 AM
thosp 17 Dec 99 - 03:04 AM
MudGuard 20 Dec 99 - 02:06 AM
thosp 20 Dec 99 - 11:07 PM
Joe Offer 21 Dec 99 - 05:43 PM
MudGuard 22 Dec 99 - 02:01 AM
Fortunato 30 Apr 03 - 09:01 AM
masato sakurai 30 Apr 03 - 09:57 AM
masato sakurai 30 Apr 03 - 11:09 AM
masato sakurai 30 Apr 03 - 11:52 AM
Mark Clark 30 Apr 03 - 02:51 PM
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JohnInKansas 01 May 03 - 07:34 AM
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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: MudGuard
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 02:09 AM

Hi anonymous,

you should use the &lt; and &gt; html characters if you want to display < and > otherwise browsers might get confused!

MudGuard


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 09:21 AM

I find it useful for a practice thread to have links to here (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/) and to here (http://www.ncdesign.org/html/list.htm).

T.


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: MudGuard
Date: 16 Dec 99 - 04:54 AM

Brendy, do it like this:
<a href="here goes the URL">Here goes the link description</a>
Example:
<a href="http://www.mudcat.org">Home of the Muddy cats</a>
which will result in
Home of the Muddy cats


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Brendy
Date: 17 Dec 99 - 02:12 AM

Thanks Mudgard et al. Here goes My ugly face
I deleted the quotes in this link because they're optional - this link had no closing quotes, and that tends to freeze the entire thread. Most of the time, quotation marks withing HTML tags are optional. Leaving them out makes mistakes less likely.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: thosp
Date: 17 Dec 99 - 03:04 AM

Hi MudGuard
i'm trying to figure out how you read the errors in the Html----i have IE and i right click and then left click on properties ---it's the best i've been able to figure out -- i can get some info from that --but for example (and you've donn this before)when told Brendy that his 2:12 post lacked the final " --i couldn't see how you got that--

peace (Y) thosp


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: MudGuard
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 02:06 AM

thosp,
sorry I did not get into Mudcat during the weekend.
What I do to detect the errors is: right click on the page (outside of links, images...) and from the popup I select "View Source". This usually pops up "Notepad" with the html source of the page (I have configured my systems so my preferred editor pops up instead of Notepad).
Then I search for the buggy posting using the time stamp.
And now comes the difficult part: I have to search for the error - much of it is done by the syntax coloring, the rest is done "by hand".
HTH
MudGuard


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: thosp
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:07 PM

Hi MudGuard,
and thanks for your explanation-- but i'm afraid that the difficult part for me,came before the difficult part for you---(once you hit "Then i search for the buggy posting etc.")anyway - i know more today than yesterday --and i'm looking forward to the tomorrow when i understand what your talking about-----

peace (Y) thosp


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Subject: Quote marks in links
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 05:43 PM

Note that I deleted the quotation marks in Brendy's defective link above. Quote marks within links are optional, and they cause problems if you don't do 'em right - so it's better not to use them. The simpler you can make your HTML, the better. I've noticed that in most HTML tags, quote marks are optional but are often used - I haven't experimented enough to know whether it's safe to say that quote marks are almost always optional within HTML tags, but it seems to me that may be the case.

<a href=http://www.mudcat.org/>Click here</a>


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: MudGuard
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 02:01 AM

Joe, the quote marks are NOT optional in HTML, they are only optional in most browsers!
MudGuard


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Fortunato
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 09:01 AM

Diana Krall: "The Look of Love"
If Sherry Somach blurs the bundling board that separates folk from jazz, Diana Krall ignores it. Hers is the sultry jazz of Sarah Vaughn and Dinah Washington, caressing lyrics and riding melody like a Saturday night cowboy showing off at Mickey Gillies'. Her recently released Verve CD,"The Look of Love" is captivating and revealing. Draped in Claus Ogerman arrangements, Ms Krall is as romantic or joyous or resigned as her songs require. Her bittersweet "Cry Me a River" is what Julie London's classic version should have been and I am sorry that Richard Rogers didn't live to hear "S'wonderful" performed just right. This CD is available in all the major outlets, but if you cant find it, there is a web site. UltimateDianaKrall.com

Ry Cooder: Ibrahim Ferrer, "Buenos Hermanos"
Far too often, on the way from tradition to transition, the stalwarts of the past are forgotten or, at best, treated like hoary relics and consigned to obscurity. When Ry Cooder, good man that he is, found, recreated and presented the Buena Vista Social Club, he opened the eyes, the ears and the mind of the 21st century audience to their own rich heritage. The concerts and documentary films of those legendary Havana giants spawned an awareness of the treasures that exist in every genre and ushered in such projects of rediscovery as STANDING IN THE SHADOW OF MOTOWN. Mr. Cooder continues to sponsor his rediscoveries. His latest release is a collection of performances by Buena Vista's Ibrahim Ferrer, "Buenos Hermanos". What a revelation is Ibrahim Ferrer. Was he a better singer thirty years ago? How much more soulful and passionate could he have been? His is the voice of life and love and leisure. His lyrics fall from his lips like the gardenia petals he sings about. The sweet nylon strung guitar accompaniment is as right as rain on a roof. Nonesuch Records is the releaser or distributor or something of the sort and I hope they have a big hit with this one.

--- Michael Miller for PFS
Reprinted from PFS "Tune Up," by permission


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: masato sakurai
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 09:57 AM

&+#+257+; = ā

&+#+275+; = ē

&+#+299+; = ī

&+#+333+; = ō

&+#+363+; = ū


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: masato sakurai
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 11:09 AM

This is my name in Japanese.

櫻井雅人


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: masato sakurai
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 11:52 AM

&+#+9834+; = ♪
&+#+9835+; = ♫
&+#+9837+; = ♭
&+#+9839+; = ♯


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Mark Clark
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:51 PM

With automatic linebreaks

The quick brown fox
Jumps over the lazy dog



Now is the time
for all good men
to come to the aid
of the party


0960 1 67 080 0479 0 67 000 0001 1 72 105 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 105 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 71 105 0479 0 71 000 0001 1 74 080 1439 0 74 000 0481 1 67 080 0479 0 67 000 0001 1 74 105 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 74 105 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 77 080 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 76 105 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 72 080 1439 0 72 000 0481 1 76 080 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 77 105 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 77 080 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 77 080 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 77 105 0959 0 77 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 76 105 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 76 105 0959 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 79 105 0479 0 79 000 0001 1 81 080 0479 0 81 000 0001 1 79 080 0479 0 79 000 0001 1 77 105 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 76 105 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 72 080 1439 0 72 000 0961 1 76 105 1439 0 76 000 0001 1 74 105 0959 0 74 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 69 105 2399 0 69 000 0001 1 69 080 0479 0 69


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Mark Clark
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 02:52 PM

Without automatic linebreaks
  The quick brown fox  Jumps over the lazy dog  

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party

0960 1 67 080 0479 0 67 000 0001 1 72 105 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 72 105 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 71 105 0479 0 71 000 0001 1 74 080 1439 0 74 000 0481 1 67 080 0479 0 67 000 0001 1 74 105 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 74 105 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 77 080 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 76 105 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 72 080 1439 0 72 000 0481 1 76 080 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 77 105 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 77 080 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 77 080 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 77 105 0959 0 77 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 76 105 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 76 105 0959 0 76 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 79 105 0479 0 79 000 0001 1 81 080 0479 0 81 000 0001 1 79 080 0479 0 79 000 0001 1 77 105 0479 0 77 000 0001 1 76 080 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 74 080 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 76 105 0479 0 76 000 0001 1 72 080 1439 0 72 000 0961 1 76 105 1439 0 76 000 0001 1 74 105 0959 0 74 000 0001 1 72 080 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 69 105 2399 0 69 000 0001 1 69 080 0479 0 69


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 May 03 - 07:34 AM

Masato -

Trouble with the fancy characters is you never know who'll see them, unless someone tells you.

Your first set - 257, 275, 299, 333, 363 all display on my Internet Explorer/WinXP with some language extensions installed.

Your name in Japanese is invisible to me; I don't have Japanese extensions installed.

In the last set, only the 9835 character shows for me.

Windows 95 and 98 do not have Unicode capability, and as far as I have been able to determine, can't be upgraded to it. They can use multiple "pages" of font, but the fonts that came with them are pretty much what's shown by the Character Map utility.

Window 2000 and Windows XP are capable of using full Unicode font sets, but are rarely equipped. The fonts that came with them do have quite a few "International" characters added, but you have to go to extremes to get full Unicode fonts.

What you have on your machine depends on where you bought it, since Windows and all of the Office programs are "localized" for the point of sale. Almost everybody does get the Latin 1 set, but it's a guessing game beyond that.

The "Official" reference is Developing International Software, 2d edition," Microsoft Press (Dr. International Series), 2003, ISBN 0-7356-1583-7. I wouldn't rush out to buy it, as it's a typical Mickey$oft work - although not as bad as some. (They really need some new authors(?).)

John


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: masato sakurai
Date: 01 May 03 - 07:55 AM

Thanks, John. I'll take care of what you have said. My first set is vowels with macron on top. The third set is musical notes, sharp & flat. My PC (with Windows 2000, bought in Japan) shows those characters.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:15 PM

Masato

There have been quite a few "debates" about what characters show and what ones don't. It depends largely on what font is set as the default for the viewer's monitor. Since you never know who's going to look, there's no real way to know what it's "safe" to use.

There was a lot of debate about the "euro" character a while back, with lots of folk insisting it's this or that "quick-key" combo - which it is for those whose Windows is "localized" for the European market (or should I say for one of the European markets?); but it ain't necessesarily so for those of us in the US, or for those with older machinery.

Individual character display shouldn't really depend on what browser the viewer is using, if the same font is used, but there does seem to be some variation there too.

The bottom line is that you can't know whether the viewer got the message without feedback.

John


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Mark Clark
Date: 01 May 03 - 06:22 PM

I can see all the characters posted as well as Masato's name in Japanese (Win XP Pro, IE 6) but then I typically install every font and character set needed to make pages look like they should all over the world. I have Mandarin, Arabic, Hebrew, Greek, Cyrilic and even Georgian. Not that I read many of those languages, I just want to know how the page was meant to look.

Masato, Is your name, in Japanese, supposed to appear horizontally or vertically? Sorry to be so stupid.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 04:02 PM

We don't see Masato around here often. It's a pleasure to find these posts in this thread--and as always, very informative.

SRS


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Janie
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 01:14 AM

Will this be italics?


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Janie
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 01:15 AM

And will
    this
be underlined


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: Janie
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 01:18 AM

No. but this will. I hope


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 04:40 AM

Life has its ups and downs.

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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 04:41 AM

Life has its UPS and DOWNS


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Subject: RE: html practice thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 04:44 AM

UPS and DOWNS


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