Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel Date: 05 Jun 14 - 06:24 AM Sid: "...and he plighted his troth to a tall pine tree" Ken: "I've always wondered - what actually is a 'troth'?" Sid: "It be a cross between a trout and a sloth. Ugly brute". (Or something to that effect) |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,norman cummins Date: 04 Jun 14 - 09:15 AM The bit that always made me laugh was when Ramblin Sid said "Up came the troopers 1, 2, 4. So Kenneth Horn says 1,2,4? and Ramblin Sid said "It was 3's day off" |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 31 May 11 - 08:16 AM Looking back Banjoray asked for the list of names of the riders of the great nog so herewith: Reg Pubes, Reg Pubes You lent your great Nog Rollock me fusset and grindle me nodes. And now my remains are in Ganderpoke Bog - with... Len Possett, Tim Screevy The Reverend Phipps, Peg Leg Loombucket Solly Levi, Ginger Epstein Able Seaman Truefitt Scotch Lil Messrs Cattermole, Mousehabit, Neapthigh and Trusspot (Solicitors and Commisioners for Oaths) Father Thunderghast, Fat Alice Con Mahoney, Yeti Rosencrantz Foo Tong Robinson and Uncle Ted Willis and all Uncle Ted Willis and all. |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Lox Date: 30 May 11 - 07:04 PM sorry .... .... 100 :-) |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Gail Date: 30 May 11 - 10:51 AM The song I love best isn't one of his folk parodies, it's 'Ma Crepe Suzette'. It's just a load of common French words strung together to make pure nonsense ("all night garage!") but I find it oddly touching. Kenneth Williams singing 'Ma Crepe Suzette' |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Ann N Date: 30 May 11 - 08:41 AM re-read this thread when it surfaced again and I'm still smiling from the memories it brought back :) Here's a link to Rambling Syd at Amazon |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST Date: 30 May 11 - 07:27 AM I am just listening to this, and found this thread, brilliant lol |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 23 Sep 03 - 11:20 PM No small part of the influences on "The Fooles Troupe" was Kenneth Williams. And The Goons. And Round the Horne. and many other BBC Radio Shows. Robin The Virtual Fooles Troupe |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Jingle Date: 10 Jul 03 - 01:12 PM Wasn't Chou En Ginsberg the one who said "They've stolen the World Clup (sic) - now we'll have to drink out of the World Saucer"? They don't write em like that any more, to coin a phrase. |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 03 - 03:04 AM Where i come from leadfingers is nicknamed "Ramblin' Sid" |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: The Walrus Date: 09 Jul 03 - 08:05 PM And don't forget that oriental criminal mastermind Dr Chou En Ginsberg. |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Jingle Date: 09 Jul 03 - 02:28 PM Whatever happend to Rambling Sid's close relative, J. Peasemould Gruntfuttock Esquire ?? |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,jim Date: 09 Jul 03 - 05:26 AM round the horne is on bbc 7 today at 12 or 12.30, you can get it on digital radio or streaming on a pc go to bbc.co.uk/radio and follow the links cheers jim |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Jul 03 - 05:29 PM Thanks, Sam, for reviving this thread once again. Wurdling away, Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: jacqui c Date: 08 Jul 03 - 02:41 PM I saw Kenneth many years ago on stage in a review show. I must have been about eleven or twelve and can't now remember the name of the show. I think that it might have been called 'One Over the Eight'. He was superb, even for a kid of that age to appreciate. He did one sketch as a bank robber trying to tell the clerk put up your hands and give me the money but couldn't get the words out right. That bit has stayed with me for over forty years now and I don't think I'll ever forget it. I've loved the man ever since. It seems that a lot of gifted people pay a high price for their talent, but what they give to us...... |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Dave Bryant Date: 08 Jul 03 - 10:37 AM More about "Beyond our Ken" was the precursor to "Round the Horne" - the "Ken" in the title referred to Kenneth Horne rather than KW. In latter years he was known for his wonderfully petulant outbursts on "Just a Minute" in which he would describe himself as a "Media Superstar" and expect to be given preferential treatment. |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Rick Fielding Date: 08 Jul 03 - 10:29 AM Hmmm....I may just dig out the diaries for a fourth read! Rick |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Jul 03 - 08:49 AM Billy - thanks for reviving this thread. He was fantastic & Round the Horne was fun. I'm getting all nostalgic, so I had a look at my comedy books - mostly Goon Show, I ight head to the library tomorrow & see what I can find. Maybe put on some of my Goon show tapes, too. Maybe I'll head for the ABC shop & see what BBC classics they have. I've never owned a TV & have always listened to radio & I've been a fan of the old English radio comedies for decades. Radio National was re-playing 'em yet again at 5.30am on weekdays last year & maybe still are but I no longer wake at that ungodly hour. There is nothing to beat the old time British comedians - they were all masters of comedy & timing. I also read his biography when it came out. sandra |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Dave Bryant Date: 08 Jul 03 - 06:07 AM A lady friend of mine worked in the BBC light entertainment department and had some wonderful tales to tell of KW. Once she was left alone in the office with him, while her boss went out to get a couple of other people. They heard their footsteps coming back along the corridor, and just before the door opened, KW dropped his trousers. As the door opened he was dicovered struggling to get them on again, he then turned to my friend and said "My God Cathy, you can really get your knickers back on fast". Mind you everyone would have known it was a joke as "Julian and Sandy" portrayed his true sexual inclination. On another occasion she managed to get me a pass into the BBC canteen when she was taking him to lunch (it wasn't easy as a lot of people liked listening to him holding forth on different topics). I found him hilarious - I can remember a story about theatrical landladies. Evidently to save money when they advertise in "The Stage" etc, they used to use abreviations - ie BSF meant Bathroom Same Floor. He would ask them if the lodgings were LTC - and invariably they'd say yes. When we enquired what LTC meant, he said "Landlady takes Cock". |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,David Neale Date: 08 Jul 03 - 04:42 AM Haven't been through the huge number of replies, so my own might well be repetition, for which my apologies. Rambling Syd Rumpo was a charatcer played by KW in a BBC radio programme of the 1960s called "Round The Horne," starring straight man Kenneth Horne. Rambling Syd himself was a West Country yokel, full of country knowledge (so he thought) and colourful Williamesque country expressions. He was also a "folk singer" whose repertoire consisted of almost unintelligeable yet very double-entendre country lyrics sung very tongue-in-cheek, of course, by Kenneth. "Round the Horne" was also the home of Julian and Sandy, in which KW played alongside Hugh Paddick. They were a clearly gay couple (very risqué at the time!) with a new angle in work each week. Again, full of double-entendre, much of which was probably lost on a great deal of the listeners at the time, as this was something completely different, of course. You can read more about the show at http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/comedy/progpages/horne.shtml |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Billy the Bus Date: 08 Jul 03 - 04:22 AM Revive.... Since NZ Public Radio is broke, they revive the classic BBC Wireless programmes of the 40-60s on a 6-monthly basis 'Just a Minute' finished a few weeks back (modern, minus KW). As stated above, and thrown at me by my mates in the late 50s... "Hello Rodney." "Hello Charles." (My 'real' name) Aww.. Shucks.. I only got onto KW when one of his ballads sidetracked be from the 'Giant Squid' thread. Thought we should revive this thread to get sanity into the MudHouse. Cheers - Sam |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Jim Clark Date: 19 Sep 02 - 05:13 AM Dear Rick, I've emailed Steve Arnold who runs the Kenneth Williams appreciation society's email address... Regards... Jim Clark...London..England http://groups.msn.com/acousticmusiciansandpoetssoundarchive |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Rick Fielding Date: 18 Sep 02 - 11:06 AM Hi Jim. I'm the guy who started this. Obviously a huge fan of Kenneth's even though I'm Canadian. Thanks for the memories of his (and your) neighbourhood. I tried to find an e-mail address on your website, but couldn't. Most likely my fault'cause I still don't know what I'm doin' on a computer. Cheers Rick (rfield@interlog.com) |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Jim Clark...London...England Date: 18 Sep 02 - 05:47 AM Wow !!!!!, I am amazed and delighted to see a discussion of the late British comic genius Kenneth Williams at mudcat.....I grew up in Kings Cross the same part of central London he did,and I even attended the Argyle primary school in the sixties the same infant and primary school as he went to...but obviously a different generation...I have always found his humour to be such a familiar part of my life...there is something about his saucy postcard view of life that is very Kings cross in character...the areas changed a lot since i left in 1976,but during my first 16 years of life there it was a friendly if generaly poor area of London to live (i grew up in the 1880's tennemant blocks "Midhope buildings" built for the Victorian poor by the east end dwellings company.Until i was six years old we didnt have bath or toiletry facilities in the apartment we used to share a toilet on the balcony,and go once a week to the communal baths in the block (how things have changed???)..neighbours knew each others names,and we knew the local shopkeepers like family friends...We might not have been millionares,but my childhood memories are morre happy ones than sad,and I only have to think of Kenneth Williams who's father owned a barber shop off of Judd street for all those memories sweetened by the passing of time to flood back...it was very sad to hear of how in reality he was the archetypal sads clown of popular myth haunted by his own inability to come to terms with his own sexuality and in later life by obsessive behaviour patterns and arthritic pain..but for me their could never be a more amusing or greater practicioner of the comic art.. The definitive website about Kenneth Williams can be found at http://www.kennethwilliams.org.uk/ Regards.. Jim Clark...London....England http://groups.msn.com/acousticmusiciansandpoetssoundarchive |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: pavane Date: 17 Sep 02 - 08:18 AM I remember one song called, I think, 'Spotty Lil in the Balls Pond Road'. Anyone know where these words are? |
Subject: Lyr Add: MY GRANDFATHER'S GRUNGE (Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,The Fantum Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:44 PM MY GRANDFATHER'S GRUNGE Authors probably as above Singer Ramblin Sid Rumpo ( K Williams) Tune My Grandfathers Clock
My Grandfathers grunge was to large for the house
Now he left it to me and its plain for to see End....... half a hundred weight is 56lb about 28kg Broads-in England a series of small lakes in Norfolk are known as "The Broads"
In Yonder Green Valley Authors probably as above Singer Ramblin Sid Rumpo ( K Williams) Tune The Ash Grove?
In yonder green valley
Amidst the bright barley
Now with sorrow deep sorrow
Advice given by Ramblin Sid Good Luck to all singers of this unique branch of the folk singer art The Fantum
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Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: MMario Date: 12 Sep 02 - 01:33 PM *gleeful laughter* oh boy they are gonna love these at the pub sing! |
Subject: Lyr Add: PEWTER WOGGLERS BANGLING SONG From: Amos Date: 12 Sep 02 - 12:27 PM PEWTER WOGGLERS BANGLING SONG Come fellows raise your fumbeljugs, Until your cringe is plunging. Come raise aloft your nut-brown grot, For soon we'll all be munging. For tonight I'll drain the posset dry, Every man shall do the same as I, If he don't I'll wurdle in his eye. Tomorrow we'll be grunging, Tomorrow we'll be grunging. This guy is a world-class Jumbuck in his own Wurdle!! A |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Trevor Date: 12 Sep 02 - 08:58 AM And it gets foggy on the moors. |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,CrazyEddie Date: 12 Sep 02 - 07:20 AM Just in case you were wondering, according to the preamble, a nog is a cross between a horse and a dachshund. It stands four hands high and fourteen foot long. "Well, it gets very foggy on the moors...." |
Subject: Lyr Add: D'YE KEN JIM PUBES (Kenneth Williams) From: Mr Happy Date: 12 Sep 02 - 07:15 AM D'YE KEN JIM PUBES (Kenneth Williams)
D'ye ken Jim Pubes with his splod so bright
Oh the sound of his groat threw me from my bed,
D'ye ken Jim Pubes? Now his splod's turned white,
Oh his poor old groat, it has sprung a leak,
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Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,HP Date: 11 Sep 02 - 02:12 PM I'm very surprised that amongst all the contributions on this thread that acknowledge Marty Feldman as the wordsmith for many of Ramblin Sid's songs, no one has further praised Marty for other musical efforts. I have a tape from about 1970 ish of an album of songs sung by Marty. All are spoofs of various styles including folk and included are such classics as a list of the ingredients of HP sauce sung in fake french, the 'five to eleven waltz', 'Is it wrong to love an elephant?' (I still sing this occasionally!!)etc etc etc. He had a real genius and from the feel of the pastoral songs on this album, I would guess that it was Marty that had the knowledge of, and feel for, traditional music in the Ramblin Sid team. Kenneth was wonderful as well, but Marty was a real one off. |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Trevor Date: 11 Sep 02 - 12:02 PM And I was forgetting, the line which I occasionally use myself... 'Tonight I shall have great pleasure....but first I'm going to sing you some songs....' As I dip into my ganderbag........ |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Trevor Date: 11 Sep 02 - 12:00 PM Reg Pubes, Reg Pubes, lend me your grey nog, All along out along down along lea, For I am a-going to Ganderpoke Bog With Bill Brewer....etc Just in case you were wondering, according to the preamble, a nog is a cross between a horse and a dachshund. It stands four hands high and fourteen foot long. 'I'll sing you one-oh, green grows my bogling fork....' In my callow youth, when I first heard Peter Bellamy I thought it was Rambling Sid...(hangs head in shame!)
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Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Jon Bartlett Date: 10 Sep 02 - 11:17 PM Have these songs ever formed the subject of a festival workshop, and why not? |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: MMario Date: 10 Sep 02 - 04:17 PM be fresh |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 07 Oct 00 - 04:49 PM KW on UK TV right now. Friend just asked where he could get recordings of KW from, I know where to find out says I and so here I am in search of recordings....... |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 21 Sep 00 - 10:40 AM So I don't need to send you another horse's head, Rick? RtS |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Rick Fielding Date: 21 Sep 00 - 10:29 AM Thanks to the amazing kindness of a couple of Mudcatters (Micca, and Seamus Kennedy) our little home has been filled with dangling cordwangles for a few days now. Poor man, that Kenneth Williams, so tortured in his personal day to day life, and so funny in his public one. An excellent singer, I might add. Rick |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 21 Sep 00 - 08:58 AM ... now I've listened to the LP again I see it was "galloping along the bacon counter and manifestin' hisself behind the crystallised fruits" I thint the spoken bits are even better than the songs> One I might use is: "the most boring song in my niggardly repertoire". RtS (Just because I'm pompous, opinionated and pedantic doesn't mean I'm right) |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 20 Sep 00 - 05:32 AM PS: favourite line (spoken at the end of the Black Grunger of Hounslow I think)"there's a supermarket on the site now and they do say that some nights his ghostly horse can be seen galloping down the aisles and manifesting itself by the bacon counter" (quoted from bad memory- made even worse by trying to give myself a frontal lobotomy by walking into the corner of the up 'n' over garage door just before going on holiday!) RtS |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 20 Sep 00 - 04:59 AM Rick, this thread came up while I was on leave. If you have any trouble getting hold of the Williams' "Ramblin'Sid Rumpo" recordings, send me a PM. RtS |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,beachcomber Date: 10 Sep 00 - 04:07 AM What an absolutely hilarious and delightful discussion. I too remember the old Kenneth Horne shows. His dialogue with "Ramblin' Syd" was an essential part of the act I feel, as he played the straight (?) interviewer with "regular questions" for the edification of the listeners. Yes , I'd love to know who played the little intros on guitar, doubt if it was nylon strung though, as I remember the sound |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Noreen Date: 09 Sep 00 - 10:18 AM Thanks, Micca, I'll look out for it, and one for my sister! Noreen |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: The Shambles Date: 09 Sep 00 - 06:33 AM 'Long be your cordwangle' |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Micca Date: 09 Sep 00 - 04:01 AM The Rambling Sid tapes issued by the BBC in the UK claim to have 40!!!!! songs on!!!!!!, a veritible Bogle Clenchers Moulie bag of festive cheer. and if any of the Trans-ponders need a copy we can arrange to send.. PM me. |
Subject: Lyr Add: SUSSEX WHIRDLING SONG (Took, Feldman) From: Snuffy Date: 09 Sep 00 - 12:30 AM SUSSEX WHIRDLING SONG (Words by Barry Took & Marty Feldman) Well, I've been dipping into my old ganderbag and I've come up with a a very tender and furtive madrigal, which has been passed down from father to son until the handle dropped off. It is an old Sussex courting song and tells the story of a swain who stands beneath his loved one's bower. He's a very small swain, but then she's got a very low bower. It's the prevailing winds, you see. Anyway, he stands there in the full moonlight, a-plighting his troth. It's best to plight it where you can see it, otherwise you're liable to make a dog's breakfast of the whole rigmarole. So there he is, a-plighting his troth ... A troth, by the way, is a small furry creature with fins. It's a cross between a trout and a sloth or slow-th, and it's a curious match. I often wonder what they saw in each other in the first place, though I suppose the sloth, hanging upside down, tends to have a different slant on things. Anyway, nowadays people do say that they're extinct. But I believe they're hanging about somewhere, and that they'll come round when they're hungry. Anyway, this lover is under this tree, singing to his light-'o-love, and he tells her of his desires as follows: Will you still love me Mary-OAnd she sings back to him You ask me if I'll love you-OWassail! V |
Subject: Lyr Add: SONG OF THE BOGLE CLENCHER (Took, Feldman From: Snuffy Date: 07 Sep 00 - 03:07 PM SONG OF THE BOGLE CLENCHER (Words by Barry Took & Marty Feldman) Now I should like to burst forth ... with a traditional Lincolnshire air. 'Tis the song of the Bogle Clencher, and goes after this fashion: When I was a clencher's bogleman in famous Lincoln townTune: Lincolnshire Poacher Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: GUEST,Tony Date: 07 Sep 00 - 11:12 AM Refresh - Kennith Willians was one of the best |
Subject: RE: Kenneth Williams From: Patrish(inactive) Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:13 AM http://freespace.virgin.net/a.del-manso/RamblingSyd'sGanderbag.html Above is the URL of a site where you can get lyrics and introduction material of syds. below is an attempt to provide a blue clicky link. Patrish
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