BS: Don't ask don't tell

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 01:47 PM

ah, yes, on the water, very free...

..and easy...

he he he

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 01:35 PM

Seems to me that the British Navy had similar issues going back in the days of the wooden ships...

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 12:56 PM

From the military folks I've talked to about this, there is a feeling that the chain of command cannot handle the bullies in the line... and that the overt christianization of the body military makes such bullying necessary. Sigh. How about, behave or be courtmartialed?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 10:45 AM

"I hope it withstands the appeals."

The feds presented NO witnesses and NO defense....they just gave a brief history of why the policy was begun. There is speculation that they may NOT appeal, and allow the policy to just wither away under the judge's ruling.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: John P
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 10:43 AM

Jeri, I agree about Clinton. What a double tongue he had! Unfortuneately, sodomy is written into the law. It will take an act of congress or a Supreme Court ruling to make it legal to be a gay soldier. The president could, however, order the military to NOT waste time on study and to get 100% behind changing the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 10:36 AM

Don't ask, don't tell was Clinton's thing. I thought it was a chickenshit way to NOT handle the issue then, and that opinion never changed. I think he did it because of military leaders bitching, but they bitched when the services were integrated racially and when women won a larger role. Most of the time, in the military, you can bitch, but you'd better do the job.

The military does not make laws, and aren't the sole developers of policy. When I was in the Air Force, I used to wonder why women weren't allowed to do certain things, and the answer was ALWAYS, "The American public would not stand for it."

Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 10:21 AM

Scene: a battlefield, at night. Shells are dropping by the dozens and bullets going past sound like mosquitoes on a summer night in Minnesota. Two guys are in a foxhole, trying to prevent their position from being overrun.

Frank: Pat, have I ever told you you have lovely eyes, and I really dig that little chuckle of yours?
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Seems a bit unlikely, no?

Subject: BS: Don't Ask Don't Tell
From: John P
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 10:09 AM

I'm glad a federal judge struck down the idiotic Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. I hope it withstands the appeals.

What about the military wanting a year to study the issue? Are they really so imcompetent that they haven't already studied it? This issue has been on the table for twenty or thirty years -- and they haven't studied it?? And they can't just use and of the information from every civilised country in the world who don't seem to be having any problems with homosexuals in the military?