BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 09:50 AM

oaks,wholeheartedly agree,but without songs and tunes.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Oaklet
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 05:36 AM

I find the best sessions contain an equal mix of songs, tunes and naked bicycling with smoke, but there aren't as many of those sessions as there should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 05:34 AM

Thats great!!! Just think, from a little misunderstanding, we can all werk together and hopefully start another monthly music/song session in the area! But PLEASE REPLY TO THE NEW THREAD! (this one is getting too long, and many people don't bother reading threads once they are over 100 messages).cherrs.john

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 05:29 AM

Well, what a great conversation! Have not been on for a couple of days. I don't have anything to contribute on the subject that has not been eloquently expressed by my peers already. I have my feet firmly in both camps. I love to sing, and I thoroughly enjoy accompanying the tune-meisters also.

I was aware of the unusual balance of musicians v singers at Nellies on Sunday, and in my capacity as m/c tried my best to accommodate all to everyones satisfaction. I hope I managed to acheive that. If that wasn't a mixed session, then I don't know what is. We sang. We played. We had bear. We had fun. That's what it is all about for me. My sincere thanks to all who attended. May there be many more enjoyable days like that.

Personally, I was extremely pleased to see so many musicians for a change. It has been said often of my session (by musicians) that they don't want to attend due to the high number of singers. It has also been said (by audience/pub regulars) that it can be a bit too finger-in-yer-ear depressing. This is an image that I wish to eradicate. There is room for everyone. I hope you all come back in September.

Once again, many thanks. Peter Dean.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 05:17 AM

A cross region alliance sounds like a great idea and would even go as far as to suggest that we do it to revieve the ailing Tap & Spile session which is (I believe)in mortal danger.

A mixed song and instrumental session with respect being given in all directions and encouragement for beginners/improvers but keeping the session feel (i.e. no applause, lots of bear and plenty of fun)I'm up for it.

After Wibby?

peace, bear and respect to you to ossenflags

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 05:12 AM

Well said Mick, you old softy! See you at Whitby. I reckon we should have a chat with Theresa after Whitby, and try to organise a sesion in The Tap, on either the second or third Sunday of the month, (the Tap & Spile is within easy staggering distance for me & Mick!) I am sure all singers/musicians would be welcome, if anybody is interested in this idea please reply to the new thread called Punch The Horse Part 99, as this one is now getting too long.cheers.john

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: ossonflags
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 03:12 AM

Well has'nt this been great!!!!!

A simple request for information about a music session prompted a great debate,and I mean DEBATE.Every one giving there opinions in a well thought out and positive manner.

as you say ,smallpiper,spat what spat?

My intention was not to enter into a battle of instramentalists against singers,it was all about evry body with something to offer been given a fair chance.

like les my ideal session is a good mixture of tune's,unnacompanied singing and accompanied singing. Excuse me for a while,just brushing a small tear from the corner of my eye.You he have all restored my faith in human nature,and at the risk of sounding like an old softy for the second time this week, have made an old man very,very happy with the kind things you have said about me.

The cross town/village/ county music alliance idea is great.

If this has done nothing else,hasnt it shown the begrudgers out there that we are ALL deeply passionate about what we do to KEEP MUSIC LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!

Brother Small piper,peace and respect.

To all of you a massive thanks.

Hope to see most of you at Whitby,I shall be camping in john and rosies.fantastic bear emporium.(9and stoup cross)

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Aug 02 - 01:25 AM

Well I have just read this whole thread again (i have read it all 3 times since I got in!) and I agree with Oaklet that Les from Hull (no relation, although we share the same last name) makes good sense, and has writed a good message, Mick is a fine singer, as anyone who as been to Nellies or the Tap will know, and John of the smallpipes is a very good piper, as anyone that has been to the Hase on a Tuesday will already know.Like Les, my favourite type of session is mixed ie songs and tunes, thats why, although I hav'nt been for a while because of work commitments, I always try to get to The Kingston whenever I can, in fact, I might pull a sickie, and go there tonight! As folk music is pretty much a minority interest, I feel it is important that we try to encourage each other and welcome new people to sessions.To me the whole idea of a music/song session is for people to get together and have fun, whilst keeping music live.

How about a few of us get together at a MIXED session, either The Kingston (Fridays) or The Tap & Spile (sundays) , both mixed sessions, that way we can perhaps try to integrate the Hull, Hessle and Beverley crowd, who knows maybe a few of the Lincolnshire crowd as well, Gary & Oaklet etc"!
What do you say guys?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 09:24 PM

Smallpiper & Mick-It would be good to see you both at The Tap & Spile, (a mixed session, everybody of all abilities welcome, I have even been known to sing a song or two there myself after a few bears!).john

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 07:23 PM

Forgot to say - just been to the pub with Bassic and Sue the pipes they say helllllllooooooooooo mudcaters

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 07:15 PM

Thank you Gary and Lez for the sense that is obvious.

Quality control is important and believe it or not I am in favour of giving everyone the chance to show what they can do, if in my opinion they are worth encouraging then I will encourage them and help them in any way I can (short of lending them money) if they are piss poor I will support them too - it might be by pointing them in a different direction but I will not just trash them I will support them.

Ossenflaggs you are welcome to sing at the hase any time you want to. Provided that you pm me with how much PTH go out for as I am trying to persuade the landlady of the said Hase to book you for a gig.

Peace brother?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Oaklet
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:12 PM

Another spledid post, Les. I never wondered why I came here, but if I did, that would provide the answer to it. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:11 PM

don't want to start a punch up but I have long contended that singers and musicians are genetically different and should be kept as far apart as possible. Of course there are people who are part singer and part musicians -these are referred to as transsexuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Les from Hull
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:05 PM

Well it seems a good time to put in my two small copper coins' worth. As someone who enjoys both singing and playing tunes, I will continue to haunt both types of session. I was aware that some people thought that Sunday's Nellies session was a bit more 'tuney' than usual. Nothing wrong with that, I think. I just hope that we don't get divided into two camps.

I think that we're really in agreement here. Maggie probably wouldn't go to the Hase for instance, as she enjoys singing sessions most, but she is working on her guitar accompaniments and whistle playing in the hope that she can play a full part in a tune session in time.

I really enjoyed the only time I went to the Hase, although we were short handed that night. I will be back.

Of course, my favourite is accompanied singing. It's great for a singer to get quality accompaniment at a session, and so my tip to anyone who wants to sing at a session that normally has mostly tunes is to sing the kind of song that can be accompanied in a key that the musicians can play in. It might help if the song and the key and the fact that instrumentalists are invited are announced before. Hopefully the musicians will understand that accompanying doesn't just consist of playing the tune, and will play to support the singer. It also helps if the singer chooses a song with a well-known tune and has a voice that can carry above the instruments. And it goes without saying that Ossonflags has these attributes in spades.

And if you're a tune player that has wandered into a mainly song session, tell the people about your tunes. Hopefully that will make people more interested in listening and less likely to talk over them. You're including them as listeners, you see.

The Friday Kingston session will continue to be tunes and songs and everything else that goes along with it. But that session will always depend on who turns up.

I have tried to be helpful here, from the position of someone who has a foot in both camps. I'll get off this soapbox now before it collapses under the weight of my words.

Les

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Oaklet
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:00 PM

splendid post Gary, my love. I hope that the protagonists can hear above the white noise. DEFRA livestock returns cannot be done with a 56K modem; and I have just walked out of the shower.

Which reminds me that Nelly's on the 8th September could be just a rehearsal for Wooton in terms of naked bicycling. And it should still be warm enough to obviate the use of cock rings!

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,a lady from hull
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:54 PM

yes well i dont like to brag. i think you realy have sent deanie boy into hiding though think you may have scared him!!!1

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: specky
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:49 PM

lucky you...............

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,a lady from hull
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:38 PM

helloooooooooo, i have arrived,

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: specky
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:35 PM

hi lady u here yet

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: dodgy bird
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:11 PM

hi all

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 03:40 PM

It has to be a shower you walk out of for it to be a dream, Oakers.

Hmmmm, playing an accordion and having a voice like a goose farting in a fog, I feel eminently well qualified to sit in judgement on this one, as everyones' least favourite sessioneer.

And my judgement is............. sessions evolve. I came to the Nag's Head session in Wootton in '97, and I now know it was during a time of change. It was a hard-core tune session of a very high standard of play. Then, it came about that an acapella version of Wheel of Fortune was sung by the entire pub whilst the musos put their fiddles away. Then a good frined of mine started attending, and did the odd song, to a fairly silent accompaniment. Slowly, the hot-shot musicians fell away (allegedly stating it had become too songy) and it has now evolved into a new, equally happy incarnation of mostly tunes, some songs, and a happy enough atmosphere for a Sunday night.

So I find in favour of both parties, in that Mick's credentials as a musician make him elligible to do his hallmark roof-raising at the Hase, and John in his difficult mission with quality control disengaging piss poor performers, both vocal and instrumental. As John says, both parties are essentially saying the same thing.

So I propose a visit from the mounted division of the 'Helmets, supported by D Division of Humberside Whistles, at the next official Hase gathering, to rattle our tambourine with the best of you both.

I'll bring Doug, too. A week is a long time in Mudcat.....

Garfield.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: specky
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 03:39 PM

hi all Lady from Hull u here yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 03:34 PM

Okay promise

hey it didn't have anything to do with Jedi cheese did it?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Oaklet
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 03:11 PM

I prefer the full version myself. 52 verses of paralysing e minor stodge at a snail's pace or nothing. Rocks my boat every time. Ask Gary about one of my previous musical incarnations. But not on here. Promise?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 02:46 PM

Spat what spat? Arn't we both saying the same thing but from different angles - welllllll no probably not. However I thhink we are both right in some respects.

I suppose I am a bit intollerant of things that I don't like (but hey that's my right) but being a piper I am also aware that pipes are not people's favourite instrument and their very presence in a session can cause people all kinds of problems. I am aware of that and adjust the amount that I contribute to a session accordingly.

It was once written that a piper should play no more than 4 sets in a session inorder not to upset people - I tend to stick to that, I could play all night. I try to be considerate can the same be said of someone who sings a 40 verse dirge?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Oaklet
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 02:30 PM

In the next installment, Oakley goes to move his herd of 18 Fresians to the cow shed, feeds 'em and goes to the Hope and Anchor still in his overalls before a long hot soak in the bath and an hour on DEFRA livestock returns. But wakes up and finds the entire thing including the job interview and the spat between Ossonflags and Smallpiper, has been a dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 02:11 PM

Well, this has all been quite enlightening. When do we get the next installment?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 01:25 PM

You may not actually realise it but I'm a bit of a PTH fan. I think that what you do is great and I'm not being at all precious the singers I try to discourage at our session are those who think they can sing but can't (one example had the entire pub in an uproar and was embarrasing herself so was asked not to sing but we tollerated her for three sessions before pulling the plug). I've been around a long time too and I've seen the errosion of good manners both here and abroad, but it dosn't mean we have to tollerate it.

And I don't think that you've got the message at all in fact I think that you are missing the point completely.

I will restate: there are lots of different session some sing arounds, some mixed and some musicians sessions, all are welcome to ours but because of the origional intentions of the session i.e. to allow something different (how many scottish sessions in england do you know of). The session, as all sessions, has changed and as such it is a great melting pot of styles and that is great. But the point is that it is a musicians session that WELCOMES (I repeat WELCOMES) occasional singers. SO tell me whats wrong with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: specky
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 12:59 PM

well ossenflags as i said b4 ur singing was coolllllllllllllll..............

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 12:48 PM

smallpiper, I find it incredible you didn't know I was a singer when my original "Hase thread" mentioned punch the horse also pretty broad referances to singing,in that and many other threads.

Getting a tad confused here,you say all are welcome,then you say you try and discourage some singers,whats all that about,or am I missing the point.

In your previose thread you talk about all types of music,well, I have been singing for more years than I care to mention and always thought singing was music.

Regarding the "etiquette thing",I have always given best of order to everyone,whether good bad or indifferant,that does include instrumentals.That is not etiquette that is just good manners and respect.Any one who gets up in front of people to do any thing musical or poetical deserves that.Sadly over the years I have observed that kind of respect dissapear,not just in this country but in Ireland as well,were I visit quite a lot.But the thing that realy depresses me is that the people who should know better, musicians/ singers are usually the ones most at fault.

Unlike you I do not try and avoid anything musicly,or otherwise,especially places were I can contribute to the event,and hopefully improve and learn a little,and give respect and encouragement to people who have come to do the same.I believe we are missing the point somewere if we keep following the preciouse idea of a time and place for everything and every body.

Believe me, I was around during the late fifties and early sixties "Folk Revival" and saw similar attitudes destroy some bloody good folk clubs,as you can see there is not one folk club left in Hull

As I said before,thanks for the info.have got the message loud and clear,couldnt be more clearer than after your last post.

Mick McGarry -lead singer with Punch the Horse

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 12:31 PM

ooops of course I know who ossonflags is grovel sorry But you are (as witnessed at the last nellies sesh) one of those singers who like the muso's to join in when he's singing - that I approve of

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 10:41 AM

Eh??????? Ossonflags is a singer?????? and I was supposed to know that?????

Oh well never mind all I can say is sorry but all are welcome as I've said before. Its just that the Hase was never intended to be a singers night although we do welcome the occasional songster and have even been known to encourage some singers and discourage others thats just the way it is.

Also there's this etiquete thing you know the one; Someone sings a song and everyone has to keep quiet and applaud afterwads yet paradoxically someone plays a tune and all the singers talk loudly all the way through it .... I don't get it, hence the reason I try and avoid singers sessions. Not that I don't like singers I do but there is a time and a place for everything and I should know I play the pipes for gawds sake.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Bassic
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 09:31 AM

Oh dear, just rolled on the floor in the library again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Eviction looms

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,Oakley
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 09:17 AM

(Sigh) Smallpiper, I got him soothed nicely last time. Now look what you have done. You have made the analogue folkie curmudgeonly again. Ossonflags, I'll be round with the balm and slippery hands in a minute. Don't fret.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,ossonflags
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 09:02 AM

Thanks for "hase" explanation, smallpiper.Got the message loud and clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,Oakley
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:56 AM

Anyway, Ossonflags you luddite, stop having a go at us Fly-by-Wire Folkies. There is nothing more satisfying to see a session gently accompanied by the hum of a multitude of Comaqs and Dells, with a pile of liptop bags stacked behind the piano. And such joy, when a song has finished to see the clamour of the assembled throng as they try to align their infra-red ports to pass on the oral tradition in the time honoured way. Learning the thing from memory indeed. What are you like?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,Oakley
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:42 AM

Especially if the DeanMeister got whiff of a holographic representation of ladies' front bottom. The lad would be in right state and make no mistake. By the way, have you noticed that my posts are riddled with helmetry? Should I seek guidance do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:20 AM

Gosh can you imagine what would happen to a pth set if some unscrupulous hacker got into your 9in keeping with the tradition) 3D virtual reality helmet!

It could hit the nationals!

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: GUEST,Oakley
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 05:10 AM

Yes Ossonflags, the only way to express the meaning in a song is via WindowsXP, Microsoft Powerpoint and an Intel Pentium 3, projected onto a far wall through the laptop. WAP is very useful too, though more suited to slow airs. However, I do feel a little self- conscious when playing dots projected into my 3D virtual reality helmet, but it is in keeping with the tradition.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:55 AM

A note on the Hase session it is not an Irish session (this implies fast and furious rigs and jeels) it was origionally a scottish session (started by two scottish smalpipers) but has expanded to include anything and everything musical. Having said that it is first and formost a musicians night although we don't mind the occasional song.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:52 AM

Me Bassic and auntie Sue the piper will (I repeat) will come to the Tap and Spile session afta whitby and I fink jOhn shud use his tallents at perswading utha peepol to come along too.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: ossonflags
Date: 08 Aug 02 - 04:19 AM

Thanks john,but I verily believe my phal days are over (god,the chalfonts!!)go more now for spicy not heat.next time i see you i will give you my special recipe for brussel sprout curry, excellant and cheap.Thanks for your special invite to the hase,this has been a closely guarded secret,other horse punchers did not tell me about it.Long time since I was in 'ezzle, is hase a boozer?

Take your point about Tap,you must understand some of the regular attenders have now left the town,Jock and Sheila to Whitby,Harpmaker and Chrissy to bev.

I have talked to Theresa about the poss of a sunday afternoon session once a month based loosly on the very succesful Nellies bev, session and she seemed keen, but as yet not contacted me. I will follow this up on my return from the whitby

don't whant to see you gloomy at whitby,if you do feel that way come and have a bear session with me,it will be merry if not exactly cheap.I may well invest in a hamster to keep brian company.

re: laptops,I do own one,but will not be taking it as I once saw one of our illustrious mudcatters using one at a sing around in lieu of a song book,we can take technology a little to far.I realy do prefer the Traditional method of actually learning a song before singing it (wharts and all ).Any way it will give us a well deserved rest from the drivel pool.But we shall be back!!!!!!!!!! Drivel on oakiepoos!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 09:49 PM

mick PS. i am going to whiby so i will see yoo there, i went last year it was really nice, i saw raggytash at mrs ducks barber queue, mrs duck said i looked miseruble and not talking to her and not having any dinner, but this is because i felt really shit , from having to many bears the night before.we dont see yoo at The tAp & spile anymore, it used to be a good session there, but it is a bit shit now, 9not many peepol going), i told gordon the bass about it, he went and i asked him if he like it, he said "it was a bit shit, because not many peepol there". I think mudcat will be vert quiet at whitby time because all the peepol will be at whitby, yoo can get them portable computers now, 9they are called liptops) but they are really expensive 9about a thousand quid!) probably a big rip off. John the smallpipes-you are, welcome to play my instrument any time you like, i lent my whislte to Willa as well. I still thinking aboot getting one of them irish drums, i dont know yet.john

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 08:28 PM

Heloo mick, i am glad you enjoid your curry, we was voted the best curry ship last yeer by the Ull Daily Mail, if you like hot currys, you should get a chicken phall, it is 5 times hotter than a vinder loo, if you tell them you are a stewed ant, you will get a 10 percent discount. last night i was at the hase, i saw that tall horse puncher there 9pete) it was good there was loads of peepol there. You should go there sometime, it is an irish session, so yoo could take your'e irish drum, 9dont go next time though, because there isnt a session next time because all the peepol are going to whitby.john

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 07:26 PM

This bird driving me nuts. I will track you down and smear hunnnnney all over you if I have to wait till I'm eligagble for the Queen's telegram to do it, Specky.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 12:23 PM

Ha ha! so if we see an oakley double we'll definately be on to you! so we'll defunietly see you thur then

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: specky
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 08:39 AM

oh my u mean u all on my case now......heavens will need to be careful.......... goxhill maybe maybe not will have to wait and see.cant give too much away now..........hhmmm will have to go in disguise...will ask oakley if i can borrow one of his outfits.........mind u maybe not too conspicuous for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 08:36 AM

not if we find out first so are you up for goxhill?

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: specky
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 08:31 AM

hi smallpiper noooooooooo definatly not mrs Deany boy but intend to keep him off balance and confused as long as possible.............. and of course u r all irresistable to men oops sorry meant women....... didnt i????????? ahh well when he finds out im sure he will tell u all

Subject: RE: BS: Punch the Horse 9 Part 9)
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 08:21 AM

This is great we deffinately on schedule to take over the world......... welcome Bassic.

Hope stuff gets sorted so you can go to Goxhill.

Hey specky I bet you're really Mrs Deanmiester but want to keep him confused and off balance 9and thinking he is irresistable to all women, which of course all we male caters are) Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa HHaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaa Its okay they're coming to cart me off soon wibble