BS: Syrian Conflict

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:43 PM

"Troops fighting in a country with no legal basis to justify their presence cannot realistically expect to make any rational case for their continuing presence."
The overwhelming casualties in Syria are civilians and legitimate opponents of teh Assad regime
Any war is governed by the Geneva Convention which limits the methods used - Syria, with its chemicals and outright indiscriminate slaughter has long contravened those limitations
FAKE NEWS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:39 PM

How dare you make a rational case. ":^{
I think Iains has found his voice.

Russia is employing the US version of Blackwater. Russia is using a weaponized party line for chaos and confusion as powerfully as our NSA Olympus program uses stuxnet to destroy hard targets.

None the less RUSSIA has attacked US troops and Trump remains SILENT !!
Assad continues to murder Syrians wholesale.
Europe is swelling with refugees and destroying others in camps.


The average media consumer probably does not know half of this mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:37 PM

"Russia is aiding it's ally Syria to remove illegal forces."
And a large slice of the civilian population, as it has always done
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:22 PM

Troops fighting in a country with no legal basis to justify their presence cannot realistically expect to make any rational case for their continuing presence.

Rather like the U.S. in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Didn't seem to stop 'em, tho, rational case or not......

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:58 PM

Plenty of their blackwater equivalents though(and I suspect they are not forced to go through quite so many name changes). How many American troops are really there? Illegally!

Troops fighting in a country with no legal basis to justify their presence cannot realistically expect to make any rational case for their continuing presence. They simply prolong the carnage among the civilian population. But civilians cannot fight back and therefore would seem to count for nothing. Is that why there is a deliberate policy to destroy infrastructure and embed troops among the producing oil fields? Why else the concentration around the oilfields of Deir ez-Zor and fighting around the gas fields of Ash Shaer?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:21 AM

Russia is aiding it's ally Syria to remove illegal forces.

Except they announced that have withdrawn their ground forces......oops.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:11 AM

"russian-approval-preceded-attack-on-us-troops-in-syria/"

Russia is aiding it's ally Syria to remove illegal forces.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:07 AM

Iains, just admit your Russian sympathies.
What you have to say about Russian friends who convinced you of their version of solidarity and fairness is far more interesting and truthful than posting fake news.

Who knows, you could find more sympathetic ears and converts than with endless political chaos strategies. There is chess to play instead of Putin's checkers.

Like you, Trump will ignore Russians now attacking US troops
Now is the best time for you to get real.

Did opposition to US insanities draw you in or an idealized notion of communism?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:47 AM

"Must be magic, must it not?"
The rise of Isis is a direct result of the inaction on Syria during the Homs slaughter - a bunch of cranks who offered an alternative and self-interest
While that indifference and self-interest remains, so will nutters like Isis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:43 AM

It's pretty clear that these pseudo mercenaries are taking their marching orders from the Russians. Just as in the Ukraine they are regulars who have changed uniforms. This avoids having to follow military protocol when repatriating the dead and wounded. Public opinion is feared by dictators that's why Putin does everything to control it.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:32 AM

Predictably Iains ignored the Russia attacking US troops - breaking story.
He pivoted to a Russian blames the US equivalency argument.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/22/report-russian-approval-preceded-attack-on-us-troops-in-syria/

A tame troll? The evidence points elsewhere.
You don't have to be Hercule Poirot

Russ-Iains what you say about empires goes double for Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:28 AM

Putin learned well the lessons of Viet Nam and Afghanistan - control of the media and internet avoids his public seeing images of their boys returning home in boxes. If anything leaks through he has that covered with his pseudo mercenaries story. The perks of dictatorship.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:27 AM

A very selfish society driving around partly on "American" oil that underlies many parts of the Middle East.(The bible according to Bush) Could not give a shit about the death toll generated by your policies. Everything is OK providing you do not have to repatriate too many in body bags. It is all just another video game played out on TV is it not?
Strange that Isis was defeated and keeps popping up again all over fully armed and equipped. Must be magic, must it not?
Unless of course Uncle Sam is handing out pressies!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:07 AM

well I sense a change in tone but your pre Soviet questions are easy =

There is no draft as in Viet Nam

As an expert in fake news you know that isn't even a question.

There is deliberate exaggerated fox tribalism that divides and conquers.

Ignorance is immortal.


Your other points are however indisputable.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:30 AM

"You tell me!"
Indifference of the part of politicians and a policy of self interest sond by them in the form of Trump, the rise of fascism in Europe and turds like you who described what was happening in the first place as "false news"
The sixties and seventies were very different worlds than today's passive acceptance of atrocities in the name of 'national security'
The West, Britain and America in particular have now adoppted an 'dog-eat-dog' attitude and turned their back on what is happening in the world
We have allowed or politicians to become 'part of the problems' rather than solutions to them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:05 AM

No dismay at all Donuel. I have a very discriminating bullshit detector. A shame many others do not. Like most other subjects Syria is not black and white. Shades of grey prevail. The only certainty is that the war in Syria was started by external forces. No guesses as to who was behind it. However you continue to believe your false news narratives and disparage alternative viewpoints. One day the chickens will come home to roost and in your environment there will be much squawking. American hegenomy will falter, just like all other empires. It may all be bread and circuses occurring thousands of miles away today, but do you think that situation will prevail indefinitely?
   What is the equivalent today of the Vietnam?
          Hey, Hey, LBJ! How Many Kids Did You Kill Today??
APHGANISTAN
IRAQ
LIBYA
SYRIA
YEMEN..................

The protest back in the Vietnam era was widely supported.
Explain why there is no equivalent protest today?
False news?
Ignorance?
Dumbed down Education?

You tell me!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:44 AM

"The Syrian conflict is serious subject well worth discussing and a dedicated thread seemed to be the best way to promote that."
Yes it is, but there is no reason it cannotot be discussed on other related threads
These things are inseparable and cannont be forced into filing draws when they are inter-related
Nice thought about out tame troll Don
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:22 AM

Robo, you say tomato I say tomato.

Iains is not a curmudgeon he is a Russian provocateur.

He is a HATE SHAPER, a shape shifter, a denier and ignorer of truth.

Much to his dismay Iains will deny this truth: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/22/report-russian-approval-preceded-attack-on-us-troops-in-syria/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/23/russian-mercenary-boss-spoke-kremlin-attacking-us-forces-syria/

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:21 AM

The Syrian conflict is serious subject well worth discussing and a dedicated thread seemed to be the best way to promote that.

If people want to post about wild flowers, beer, food or even lighthouses on the Brexit thread that is fine, a refreshing break from some of the turgid nonsense that Brexiteers post.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:16 AM

Thanks for the context, R, but maybe taking the trouble in the OP would make life a little easier for those of us who need to be led by the nose!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:14 AM

Sauce for the goose and all that!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM

One area of the Connemara, Slyne Head (which boasts two lighthouses) is a place with a remarkable array of orchids. Frequently found are the Greater Butterfly Orchid which is stunningly beautiful in June and July.

No deviation from that thread now. Is there boyo?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:05 AM

"they are discussing the Syrian conflict on a thread dedicated to another subject"
Cross-posted - you've had your answer on this and the other thread Rag
Would welcome a response
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:04 AM

Makes a change from the "weeds, wandering and wine" that you and your little mates are prone to infest threads with.
Would you like some examples?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:50 AM

Because Robomatic they are discussing the Syrian conflict on a thread dedicated to another subject thus detracting from the main subject
there.

Is that reason OK for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:48 AM

Sorry Rag- if you really believe that you can sanitise Brexit by excluding all its side-effects we really do occupy different planets and wherever you try to sideline these problems you're bout to attract the inevitable inarticulate troll with their (Jimmy")
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

You got nothing to say, so open a thread? Can't rub a couple of neurons together? What are you, gods gift to thread openers? Did you go to a one room school house and sleep for twelve years?
Why don't you wait until someone has something to say, then let THEM name the damthread.

curmudgeoncurmudgeoncurmudgeoncurmudge-

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:30 AM

Not much point. Jimmy believes the white helmets are on the side of the angels.(Perhaps they are as they can wander about an area supposedly exposed to Sarin, and require no protection.)Perhaps they are angels or, more likely, simply bullshit artistes. No doubt he believes in the tooth fairy as well.

Subject: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:22 AM

Here you go boys a dedicated thread.