BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 01:48 PM

The only thing that can stop Iran from going nuclear is Iran.

If done properly and with the cooperation of China and S. Korea, taking out that pr*ck Kim Jong Il would be a plus for humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 03:30 AM

Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, an influential former Iranian president preparing to run again in June, said Tehran was determined to embark on uranium enrichment and other branches of nuclear technology.

"And we will have it at any cost," he told worshippers in Tehran.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/29/iran.nuclear.reut/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 06:15 PM

Oldies but prophetic goodies

The endless war (until the oil is gone)

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/assaulton.jpg


"found on a PNAC laptop"

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/mideastnew2.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 05:15 PM

But the main target he has in mind for eliminating is the USA. I mean, those aspects of the USA that are really worth admiring, and really being proud of.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 05:02 PM

I think two things will happen:

1) The US will try to destabilize Iran; cause internal strife.

2) The US will bargain with Korea.

Regardless of the military might of the USA, it does NOT have the legs to fight major wars in two places without resorting to the use of nuclear weapons. I am not aware whether or not the US still has submarine-launched cruise missiles or MIRV capability from undersea boats. If so, then neither country poses a 'problem' with regard to the US being able to hit targets. However, Korea does have a nuclear capability--and they would have the will to use it. Ground-based troops are OK on the ground, but they don't do a heckuva lot for you when your enemy can bomb you from air, sea and beneath the ocean surface. Which war will be next will be determined in rooms by military academics based on information as to the enemy's will to fight--and the numbers in which that enemy is willing to expend its population. Neither scenario will be good at this time. In five years? That's another ballgame.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: DougR
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 01:36 PM

Monaco?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 01:16 AM

?????

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Kaleea
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 11:46 PM

Too bad that dubblepew bush has ignored the real threat of terrorists & attacked ol' saddumm sadsack insane stead. Now, the terrorists & guerillas from all over the world are banding together which is much worse than the jihaad was before dubblepew was placed in office. Of course, he had to make sure that the family oil business got their oil, not to mention the veep, as the vice pres is also a texas oilman-despite the location of his so called residence as of late--just ask anyone in the oil business.
    We are very fortunate that China talked n. korea down from pushing the "red button" on us, because that is exactly what was getting ready to happen as that dictator is as bad or worse than dubblepew. China didn't want all out bloody hell war in their backyard to screw up shipping lanes in the region from another conflict from N Korea & the USA, as China has it's entire economy wrapped up in exports to the USA.
    I suppose, then, that since dubblepew already has waged war in Iraq, the next place is right next door.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: DougR
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 10:36 PM

Glockamorra.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Giok
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 09:03 AM

Beirut and the Lebanon should in itself be an object lesson to GWB, it has gone from being a beautiful prosperous city to what it now is, in a series of political and religious wars and occupations. Democracy doesn't seem to have offered any answers there, and it won't in Iraq.
How can a country which has such a corrupt, and only titular democracy itself, hold their system up as an example to others? How many people were disenfranchised in Florida 4 years ago, how many bills were passed or vetoed due to pressure by big business contributors to political funds.
'The People have Spoken' is crap, only money talks, in this as in so many other so called democracies, and that definitely includes this bunch of spin merchants in the UK.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 08:09 AM

Anti-Syrian protests of mourners (Guardian) remind us that not only the Iraq is an occupied country in the Near-East.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 07:14 AM

I feel rather suspicious about this assassination in Lebanon which is being blamed on Syria? And its timing. (And don't anyone sound off about "conspiracy theories" - by definition any assassination pretty well has to be a conspiracy, it's just a matter of who is conspiring, and why.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Giok
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 06:23 AM

It's evident from the behaviour of the present US administration that they don't understand Middle East politics. They seem to think that if the population of a country is unhappy with their government, it means that they want America to intervene, whereas the majority of them would rather put up with the Saddam Husseins of this world than have the US infidels in their country.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Davetnova
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 06:06 AM

They'll go for Iran. Koreas safe cause they can hit back. Bullies don't like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 05:45 AM

In the event of an attack on Iran, it is pretty evident that holding down Iraq would be even more of a problem, with the Shi'ite majority, and the Shi'ite dominated government bitterly hostile.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: dianavan
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 03:29 AM

You're right about that brucie!

Not only that, the Iranian people might not like the current government but they hate the U.S. even more.

Now that Iran and Syria have formed a defensive alliance, the U.S. had better not do something stupid AGAIN!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Peace
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 01:41 AM

http://www.gospatial.com/ProductImages/I-MID-011.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Peace
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 01:37 AM

Y'all might want to give this link a very good look-see. Iran is a very different animal from Iraq. Very different. Pay close attention please to the geography section on the link--specifically elevation extremes. Iran would do to the USA what Afghanistan did to the old USSR. Very bad move, IMO. Logistics are a nightmare.

HERE

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:37 PM

Yes, one wonders. I have the impression that the USA is scoping out Iran very carefully indeed, using spy drones, satellites, and whatever else comes to hand...and they're probably doing it in preparation for a forthcoming attack on Iran. They are now perfectly positioned to hit Iran from both sides (Iraq and Afghanistan) and from their ships in the Gulf. I think they will find it hard to resist, given the opportunity, so they will be looking for excuses and provocations.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 02:30 PM

If it's Cuba, I suppose they could extend the regime currently found in Guantanamo to cover the whole island. That's liberation for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:47 AM

I guess I'm not the only one who found today's succession of news reports in Iran TV very peculiar. The news so far came in this order:

(1) There was a hugh explosion near the Iranian town of Dailam.
(2) The explosion came from a rocket fired from a plane (with eyewitness interviews).
(3) The explosion came from an empty plane tank falling down.
(4) It was a controlled explosion for a dam project.
(5) There was no explosion at all.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:33 PM

Thanks dianavan.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:26 PM

China recently signed a trade agreement with Iran and Russia has agreed to dispense of Iran's nuclear waste. Sounds pretty cozy to me. Google Iran - new.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:04 PM

dianavan, where are you getting your information about China, Russia, and Iran? I haven't seen anything about it in the US media (big surprise).

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Dorothy
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:00 PM

D:

You mean China is trying to screw another country out of it's oil?

Only the US has the right to do that.

Dot

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 07:06 PM

China most definitely supports Iran - they also want Iran's oil.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 06:57 PM

All those AK47's you see being toted in the many areas of conflict? Where are most of them made now. Here. Ditto rocket launchers.

The Chinese also have nuclear weapons both strategic and battlefield.

The PLA (Peoples Liberation Army) though is badly trained, but lack of training is made up in numbers.

So we have a country that supplies technology to N Korea, weapons to the rest of the world, yet squeals when Taiwan wants to buy defence weapons. However GW must be as pragmatic as the Chinese Govt are and deal with each other. But there is oil and gas here so he might reconsider ;-)

BTW I just saw on the news that China is voting in the UN to leave Iran's nuclear program alone. I wonder if the technology they have in Iran has Made in China on it.....

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 05:09 PM

Those are hardly the only two choices, NIMBY. In fact, the two examples you've given have nothing whatever to do with each other. Tree huggers are protesting the harvesting of old growth trees. It is most emphatically not necessary to harvest old growth trees in order for us to have anything at all that we need. There are so many other ways to provide what we need that don't involved harvesting old growth forests.

Oil has many alternatives as well. The idea that we have to make a choice between having our energy and material needs met, and killing for oil and despoiling the enviornment is false. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 03:36 PM

DougR, Amos mentioned 'warmongers'. Whatever makes you think that he was referring to Dubya?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:57 PM

No takers on New England???

You all is way too global fir me...

I mean, think gobal, act local, right???

Nuke Boston!!!

They ain't got no nukes to fire back atcha...

Korea? Different story. Iran? Maybe different story...

Like I said, nuke Boston!!!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Nimby
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:00 PM

The way I see it is that America is hungry for oil, not the government of America.

At the same time the American tree huggers don't want the US to utilize it's own natural resources.

Sheeeit! How is anybody going to satisfy both selfish factions?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:44 PM

Why bother with North Korea? They will get the squeeze from China and Russia.

Iran is setting itself up to be squeezed by China and Russia, as well but Iran has oil to offer so they will profit from the sudden interest from both countries. It will also keep the U.S. at bay.

No, the U.S. will concentrate on Iraq and Afghanistan. They'll be there for years insuring that there is a 'fair and democratic' voting process while privatizing everything they can get their hands on.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:31 PM

I have got to introduce you to Shane, Davey. You guys would really click, know what I'm sayin'?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:54 PM

Fine, guys. We've both talked to real Cubans and we got totally different stories from them. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I didn't do the tourist thing when I was in Cardenas. I stayed at a church community in the middle of downtown Cardenas, with very poor people living right around it on all sides. I met some of the finest people I've ever met in my life there. Some of them were middle class. Others were very poor. I talked with a number of young musicians. They reminded me of myself when I was in my 20's. Our translator was a very smart, well-educated, presentable guy who knows perfectly well that he could come to North America and soon be earning a hundred times what he does in Cuba. He wants to stay there because he believes in his society. He came up to Canada last summer and visited for 6 weeks in my town, and enjoyed himself immensely, but was happy to return to Cuba at the end of the visit. He showed no desire to "escape" to "the good life" here.   I heard many different opinions when I was in Cuba, some pro-government, some opposed to Castro. About a 50/50 divide on that, in fact. The Cubans struck me as a remarkably well-adjusted, idealistic people, and I had about the best time there I ever had anywhere, among ordinary Cubans, not in a hotel with tourists. I was not, in fact, a tourist at all in the usual sense. I was there for spiritual reasons and I learned a lot.

Still, my low opinion of China's government, at least, should give you some comfort, I hope!

Now, moving on...here's a quote about the possible next country on the hit list:

"In August of 2002, Defense Policy Board chairman and PNAC member Richard Perle heard a policy briefing from a think tank associated with the Rand Corporation. According to the Washington Post and The Nation, the final slide of this presentation described "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot, and Egypt as the prize" in a war that would purportedly be about ridding the world of Saddam Hussein's weapons. Bush has deployed massive forces into the Mideast region, while simultaneously engaging American forces in the Philippines and playing nuclear chicken with North Korea. Somewhere in all this lurks at least one of the "major
theater wars" desired by the September 2000 PNAC report.

Iraq is but the beginning, a pretense for a wider conflict. Donald Kagan, a central member of PNAC, sees America establishing permanent military bases in Iraq after the war. This is purportedly a measure to defend the peace in the Middle East, and to make sure the oil flows. The nations in that region, however, will see this for what it is: a jump-off point for American forces to invade any nation in that region they choose to. The American people, anxiously awaiting some sort of exit plan after America defeats Iraq, will see too late that no exit is planned.

All of the horses are traveling together at speed here. The defense
contractors who sup on American tax revenue will be handsomely paid for arming this new American empire. The corporations that own the news media will sell this eternal war at a profit, as viewership goes through the stratosphere when there is combat to be shown. Those within the administration who believe that the defense of Israel is contingent upon laying waste to every possible aggressor in the region will have their dreams fulfilled. The PNAC men who wish for a global Pax Americana at gunpoint will see their plans unfold. Through it all, the bankrollers from the WTO and the IMF will be able to dictate financial terms to the entire planet. This last aspect of the plan is pivotal, and is best described in the newly revised version of Greg Palast's masterpiece, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy."

The rest can be found on this website:

Project for a New American Century

Now if those plans go ahead, as described, into Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the USA will soon find itself surprised to be embroiled in a Third World War, and they won't be fighting pathetic little foes like Iraq, Saudia Arabia, and such...they will be fighting a consortium of modern nations who are just as good at high technology as American is, and were once America's allies...a long time ago...before this latest round of empire-building madness began.

You can go just so far, and no farther in a community of nations, as Mussolini and Hitler discovered, as Napoleon discovered. People will fight when you go too far, and they will find the means to.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Davey
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:41 PM

Ain't no Al Kider in Korea. Git-R-Done in Iran fust.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Padre
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:32 PM

Korea is my vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 08:52 PM

It's gonna be somebody, right? The US gets a Republican president in and within 6 months, they're getting ready to drop bombs on somebody.

Why? Nothing rallies support like being a wartime president and pointing fingers at a new boogeyman... some kind of "ism" to wage war against.

Oh and please don't say you already have a war. Bush declared that one "over" last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Zelda_K
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 06:59 PM

They can not even handle the situation in Iraq, so how would they invade even more countries?
North-Corea has nukes and mighty neighbours (China & Russia).
France has a modern army, nukes and allies.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:09 PM

It has to be Iran because Korea dont have no oil.
And just because France was right all along, dont mean we have to bomb the b*ggers!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:28 AM

Only a Canadian would think that Cuba has a high quality of life.   When the NBA played some exhibition games over there, the universal remarks from players were about proverty and gruesome conditions.   This from people who for the most part grew up in the low income areas, and gettos in the USA. The NBA players couldn't believe how bad the poverty was in Cuba compared to USA.

People in Cuba try to float Chevys across shark infested waters to get to the USA.    When I cross the border to Mexico, they just wave to you as you drive by.   The good news is you don't have to sneak into Canada.   They let anybody in.   All you have to do is claim political assylum- you don't even need ID.

The only reason the Cuban economy has not collapsed is that Cuban relatives in the USA keep sending them money.    The largest industry in Cuban malls is the American money cashing stores.    Without this funding, Cuba would be finished as an economy.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Fat Albert
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:07 AM

schoolboy fantasy picked up from God knows where
Heard first hand from someone who lives there. Not just from a tourist that see all the good stuff.

"Of course, not everyone in Cuba receives substandard health care. In fact, senior Cuban Communist Party officials and those who can pay in hard currency can get first-rate medical services any time they want."
http://www.canfnet.org/Issues/medicalapartheid.htm

"When we meet in May for a drink on Obispo Street, changes surround us. A nightclub around the corner, El Bohemio, has been closed. Police stand outside in larger numbers. Even the bar's usual hipster jazz band is gone. In their place stand five older Cubans who, according to the bartender, "played in the cemetery before coming here." It turns out we were lucky to have music at all: I later learn that most of the young, talented bands can no longer play in the bars, for reasons unknown."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_4_35/ai_105644258/pg_3

"We are not free, he says. "Listen to me when I tell you that."
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y03/sep03/22e5.htm

"The residential housing crisis in Cuba is common knowledge: crumbling properties, crowding, and constant subdivision of limited space. The Castro government has also created a legal mishmash of competing claims by following diverse internal policies, some of which supposedly granted a murky title to housing. It has also used housing grants as a reward for loyalty. If we add the prior owners' confiscation claims, and take a purely legalistic approach, there is no question that lawyers can be kept busy for decades while real estate deteriorates and collapses."
http://www.futurodecuba.org/Dynamic%20Solution%20March%205%202004.htm


Hey Hey Hey

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM

LOL! Oh, jeez....

Shanghaiceltic - Good post about China! Well said. That is a government I trust even less than I do the Bush administration, and that's really saying something. The Chinese government is coldly pragmatic and capable of anything in my opinion. This in no way indicates any lack of respect on my part for the Chinese people, who are a brilliant people. They deserve better than what history has handed them.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:37 PM

DougR, Amos posted to this thread at 9:38 AM yesterday. He started his going away for a while thread at 10:01 AM yesterday. You can tell time, right?

(Just in case you can't, 10:01 AM is after 9:38 AM.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:35 PM

Hey, why Iran or N. Korea when ya got the northeast and west coast? Take out New York and California and the Repubs won't ever swaet anothe day in their lives...

And Dougie. Leave Amos alone 'er I'll get on you like ugly on a Southern redneck Repubs. And I mean it... Grrrrrrr....

Awwwww, jus' messin'. Them newly elected Southern Repub Senators ain't rednecks at all. Redneck would seem far to the left of where these Grand Wizzards are from...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:33 PM

China is not growing more democratic. It gives the world outside an impression it it but there are deep deep problems here at present. Many riots in many cities mainly caused by the poorer people and peasant farmers objecting the only way they can when they see the corruption at all levels of government.

The Chinese press is told not to report and they obey. Thanks god for the international press and the South China Morning Post an HK published daily whose reporters are regulalry harrassed by the mainland authorities.

However its a mei ban fa situtation (nothing to be done) and GW has to work with the Chinese.

I would suggest that GWB stays out of North Korea and let the Chinese deal with it. They cut off oil supplies last year to N Korea which brought the Koreans back to the table.

If GW decided to ignore advice on N Korea and invade or take military action then the consequences in this part of the world would be very bad indeed.

Added to which the China - Taiwan situation is not a good one and GW could find himself drawn into that too.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: DougR
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:20 PM

Geeze, Amos, you write a post that indicates that you are going into seclusion, ostensibly to lick your wounds, and here you are again, spouting your venom about the newly elected president! What happened to your theory that whowever wins by the popular vote is the duly elected president? Does that only apply to candidates that you support?

Anyway, it would seemly for you to contemplate a bit longer than twenty-four hours if you truly were going to follow what you posted.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:15 PM

Iran. All y'all got an old score t' settle thyar. Then when yuh got all them camel jockey towelheads straightened out, that when yuh kin turn yer `tenshun to the heathen Chinee.



Seriously, there's a bit of a mess in Iraq to clean up first. Not to mention Afganistan. Remember that little romp?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Bert
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:59 PM

Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:53 PM

Fat Albert, you obviously have not been to Cuba. I and hundreds of thousands of other Canadians have. I have walked the streets of Cardenas, not a tourist town. No big hotels in Cardenas. I have also been to Mexico and seen how the poor live there. Cuba is immeasurable more responsible to its people.

Here is today's news from Guatemala, taken directly from my Rogers Homepage, news section. I quote:

"GUATEMALA CITY (Reuters) - The United States issued a serious security warning for Guatemala on Wednesday after a series of attacks on U.S. citizens in the Central American nation, including the rapes of children.   

A statement from the U.S. Embassy said there have been three serious assaults on U.S. citizens in 10 days. In two of them minors were raped.

The statement did not come with a recommendation to avoid travel to Guatemala, which is battling a surge of violent crime. Buses and trucks are frequently held up in broad daylight.

In some of the cases, the attackers wore police uniforms and used police-like vehicles to trick their victims into stopping, the embassy said.

It was not clear if the attackers were police, although the embassy statement said police might have been involved in some of the attacks. The embassy declined to give further details.

While the vast majority of victims are Guatemalan, the embassy registers attacks against hundreds of U.S. tourists every year and is concerned that criminal activity is on the increase.

In recent months, high-ranking officers in Guatemala's notoriously corrupt police force have been suspended for alleged involvement in gangs dedicated to kidnapping and assault.

Several members of the office for professional responsibility, whose duty is to monitor police behavior, were recently fired for alleged corruption.

"We are retraining the remaining personnel, so that they work against the bad police," police spokesman Oscar Piveral said.




That's Guatemala, another US ally and business partner. Guatemala is a country that was savaged in the 80's by CIA-trained and funded death squads who terrorized the populace and massacred anyone who stood up for political and social freedoms. You now see the result of that policy.

Your ideas about Cuba are a schoolboy fantasy picked up from God knows where. I have met any number of highly educated Cubans and ordinary working class Cubans. They live in a country that has the best literacy rate in Latin America, a better infant survival rate than the USA, totally free and modern medical care, totally free and good education right to the completion of university, and safe streets. Much safer than Miami or Washington, D.C., I can tell you.

You just keep repeating the myths and lies you've been told, Albert, and I'm sure you will keep believing them. They are supported by your stark ignorance of the real World that exists outside the USA.

I already live in a good country, pal. It's called Canada. If I was born Cuban I'd be mighty proud to live there too. They have held off a superpower for over 40 years now, and that's nothing short of a miracle.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:55 PM

We're not allowed say Fr*nch yet (we have to say "freedom" instead). Not for another four years, anyway. Too bad, really. I was practicing saying it on the 2nd, just in case Kerry won.