BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 04:58 PM

St. Andreas Jones News... "It ain't my fault!"

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 04:30 PM

I'm holding out to see what Carrot Top and Sigfried and Roy have to say about 9/11. Once I know their theories I should be able to make up my mind. The truth is out there.......

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 04:09 PM

Get a grip Carol. There is no need to provide evidence in a discussion. Your theory is just as valid as any others.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 03:54 PM

To continue to call this a planned demolition clearly indicates that evidence means nothing to you. You are so married to your delusions that evidence, no matter how clear and irrefutable, will not move you off your position. But your use of the old conspiracy tactic, which is to switch the burden of proof to those who don't buy into your delusions, won't work here. Scientists and engineers with no dog in this show have answered all your assertions and questions. These are not country and western singers, or comedians. They have laid out exactly how this happens.

There has yet to be given, by the tin hat brigade (many of whom inhabit these hallowed cyberhalls) a decent explanation of what motive there would be, nor has there been plausible rationale advanced as to how this planning could have gone on with absolutely no prior indication of it out there. Neither have there been an explanation of how the responsible media that would dearly love to uncover a conspiracy has yet to be able to find one ounce of anything that indicates one.

I just reread what I have typed and found myself shaking my head at why I bothered to waste the time.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 03:42 PM

Here's where some WT7 and other 9/11 stuff is discussed at length, including my comments and where I got much information..

"Kerry 'acknowleges' "

(to save time, go directly to http://www.debunking911.com/)

There are CLEAR answers there...by those who know, not just guess and accuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 03:33 PM

It's rare. You can find the examples yourself if you really try.

Support your own arguments, Ron. I'm not going to do your work for you. If you can't provide an example, then you haven't supported your argument, and we can take that to mean that it can't be supported.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 03:28 PM

Brian Jones News... "I don't need no bloody swimming lessons!"

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 02:34 PM

"I think it's legitimate to say that the word 'rare' is not the right one, but that 'unheard of'"

It's rare. You can find the examples yourself if you really try.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 02:20 PM

Maybe I could find an example, but what would it prove? Different circumstances, different day.

Well, unless you can find an example, I think it's legitimate to say that the word 'rare' is not the right one, but that 'unheard of' (prior to or since WTC7) is.

I also disagree that my using a term is illegitimate. When you propose a theory that involves a conspiracy, it becomes a conspiracy theory.

If you're going by that definition of 'conspiracy theory' you are also talking about the government's version of events, because so far, all they've got it theories. They've proved nothing.


That Wiki article is interesting, Amos, but they still haven't completed their analysis and tests. I would like to see that happen and for the analysis and tests to receive rigorous and open scrutiny by numerous scientists and engineers before I will accept it as an explanation.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 02:08 PM

Elvin Jones News... "I always got a reason to beat the drums".

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 02:04 PM

This description of the details of WT7's demise satisfies my skepticism.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 02:03 PM

Peace, there are a lot of people pulling it around here!

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:56 PM

"Pull it!"

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:53 PM

I've done about six Forum searches and have found no explanation for Buiilding Number 7's demise, although I have found two others posing the same question.


ANyone got a pointer out there?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:52 PM

Maybe I could find an example, but what would it prove? Different circumstances, different day.

I also disagree that my using a term is illegitimate. When you propose a theory that involves a conspiracy, it becomes a conspiracy theory.

Who in their right mind would deny a person the ability to speak their mind and use speech in the way they see fit? I'm not shutting you up, nor am I stifling debate, but it seems that you are trying to do that to me. Shameful tactics.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:48 PM

Can you even find an example of it ever happening before or since, Ron?

BTW, the use of the term "conspiracy theory" is illegitimate. It's sole use is to shut up legitimate debate and questioning of the behavior of our government.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:38 PM

Carol, I could not attempt to prove it possible or impossible. None of us are demolition experts no matter how many websites we visit and clip from, nor did any of us witness it directly (as far as I know). We only can report on what we've seen on video or what we read, and for every theory there is a counter theory.

It does bother me when misinformation and cleverly worded statements are made to appear as fact, such as the bit about the Bush boy who ran security.

The biggest issue I have with the conspiracy theories is that they are many are illogical and almost all would require too many people to be involved or an incredible string or precisely timed events to make it an incredibly rare possiblity. There has been no clear motive raised that could not have been achieved with less risky and ultimately more effective operations. The possiblities that the attacks involved more than a band of hijackers is rare, but not impossible.

It is a romantic notion to believe the government and business that we already distrust could have pulled this off, but most of them could not wipe their ass without a set of instructions and incredible luck.

There are certainly circular and highly obfuscatory explantions, but I have read many more circular and highly obfuscatory theories that can't be proven either.

In case you are curious, yes, I am familiar with the WTC area, I was in NJ that day and I have an alibi.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:37 PM

George Jones News... "B-u-u--r-r-r-p!"

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:30 PM

Carol...regarding WT7...and implosions,,,and 'missles at the pentagon'...and several others...there HAVE been totally clear, scientific, tested explanations by EXPERTS posted! **I** posted many of them myself, gleaned by reading something besides conspiracy sites!

I've seen the explanations that you are characterizing as "clear, scientific, and tested" and they were anything but. They were gobbledygook that made no sense, could not stand up to any real scientific scrutiny, and they even conflicted with one another.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:27 PM

So I guess no-one here knows the answer, and I'll hafta go dig it up. Sigh. I hate that. What's the use of a big forum if it doesn't do your homework for you?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: bankley
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:23 PM

anyhow, I like them Jones boys from Texas, George and Alex.... along with ol Willie..... keeps it interesting... take it to the coda..

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:22 PM

Shirley Jones News... "Shirley, you jest?"

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:20 PM

Carol...regarding WT7...and implosions,,,and 'missles at the pentagon'...and several others...there HAVE been totally clear, scientific, tested explanations by EXPERTS posted! **I** posted many of them myself, gleaned by reading something besides conspiracy sites!

There are things 'claimed' that just did not happen, but it takes 17 times as long to DIS-prove speculative claims as it does to just repeat them and take the word of guys who just make statements based on their assumptions, wishful thinking and careless assembling of spurious 'facts'!

It's all in past threads...

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: bankley
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:20 PM

'reasonable, professional answers' from who ?, Rove's buddy, Phil Zelikow, the executitve dir. of the Kean Commission ? Naw, no conflict of interest there.....

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:10 PM

Grandpa Jones News... "Ah, yer father's moustache!"

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:10 PM

There have been no clear explanations. Just a lot of circular and highly obfuscatory ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 01:07 PM

No, no, no, no, no......It has all ***BEEN** explained, if anyone cared to read the clear explanations.

But if you want to indulge in wild speculation, just because you 'don't trust anyone', go ahead. I will no longer waste MY time pointing you to reasonable, professional answers when you ignore them. (not even disagree..just plain

sheesh!~!!

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:58 PM

I don't think 'rare' is the correct word. I think 'impossible' is the correct word. However, Ron, if you can find any examples to the contrary, I'm sure we'd all love to see them.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:35 PM

Thanks. So it is rare, but not unheard of, for an accidental collapse to show that kind of uniformity. Got it.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:06 PM

Well, because (a) steel girders are usually fireproof (b) explosions usually do not create concentric collapse patterns because they tend to have a linear vector and (c) professionals use carefully placed and timed explosives to make a building fall uniformly inward from all sides, to make a safe demolition, but it is very rare if not unheard of for an accidental collapse to show that kind of uniformity.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM

"why DID WT7 go down into its own footprint?"

Why wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:34 AM

"And under no circumstances are you ever to repeat to anyone that GWB's younger brother was the administrator for the WTC security! "

First, which brother are you talking about? The one who was on the board of directors of a company that provided security for a number of airports? Do you know when the contract ended? If this is the same Bush, how is being on a board of directors the same as being an "adminstrator"? Members of the board do not, to my knowledge, carry administrative duties. Who are the other board members? Has anyone checked the rest of this story to see if it is even valid, or are you just referring to one source of information that keeps repeating in numerous publications and websites to give the appearance of multiple sources?

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 11:34 AM

So...um...why DID WT7 go down into its own footprint?

If it was taken down by official act, what was the reasoning for it?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:44 AM

Jeez Louise, you guys must also think that JFK was asassinated by some sort of CIA Mafia LBJ plot.

Of course building 7 was imploded but you are not to talk about the other two.

And under no circumstances are you ever to repeat to anyone that GWB's younger brother was the administrator for the WTC security!

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: bankley
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:36 AM

if you think conspiracy theorists are hard to take , what about the coincidence theorists ? Seems to be a lot of coincidence at play surrounding these events.... then again, the Gov't would never do anything to harm its own citizens.... and then lie about it.... would it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 10:33 AM

"Sir Issac Newton is still kicking?"


               Once an object labled Newton is placed at rest and then starts kicking, it will remain kicking until it gets and equal and opposite kick in the seat of the pants from a discredited Republican candidate.


                   You heard it here first.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:05 AM

The 8:57, 9:03, and 9:43 posts here have to top anything I've seen here for pointless idiocy, possibly including the spam for viagra and cialis.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 08 - 12:01 AM

This is the part that really caught my eye, GUEST, 12 Feb 08 - 11:48 PM...


Then they said when -- not if -- martial law is declared

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:59 PM

Sir Issac Newton is still kicking? That's a neat trick. I want to know how he's doing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:21 PM

Carol - I looked them both up on Wikipedia, and it says they're both still kicking. Am I missing something?

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:11 PM

This one from the 12 Feb 08 - 09:36 PM GUEST post deserves a blue clicky and an excerpt. Really, it deserves a thread of its own, but I'll just put this stuff here...


http://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308

One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation -- and what their role might be. He showed me his InfraGard card, with his name and e-mail address on the front, along with the InfraGard logo and its slogan, "Partnership for Protection." On the back of the card were the emergency numbers that Schneck mentioned.

This business owner says he attended a small InfraGard meeting where agents of the FBI and Homeland Security discussed in astonishing detail what InfraGard members may be called upon to do.

"The meeting started off innocuously enough, with the speakers talking about corporate espionage," he says. "From there, it just progressed. All of a sudden we were knee deep in what was expected of us when martial law is declared. We were expected to share all our resources, but in return we'd be given specific benefits." These included, he says, the ability to travel in restricted areas and to get people out. But that's not all.

"Then they said when -- not if -- martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn't be prosecuted," he says.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:03 PM

Was Alfred involved?

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 10:41 PM

I think there's quite a lot of ground between Willie Nelson and Sir Issac Newton.

At least six feet.   ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 10:03 PM

The really reasuring part of it is, John McCain is old enough to have invented the fig.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 10:02 PM

Yep, there's NoBisco like ShowBisco.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: pdq
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:56 PM

Did Sir Isaac invent the Fig Newton? Just curious.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:54 PM

I think there's quite a lot of ground between Willie Nelson and Sir Issac Newton.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:47 PM

So what are you saying? That's not Walter Mondale in the video? I guess they fooled me. Danged kids. Good thing mudcat has its own cointelpro agent to keep these things straight now. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:36 PM

Jones has several websites. There's an interview with Nelson at this one:

http://www.infowars.com/

infowars.net, prisonplanet.com, jonesreport.com + other sites. Whenever the govt hacks one of his sites he starts 2 more. lol Lookit some of the stories while you're there. End of sovereignty, birth of tyrannical world govt.

As far as the Mondale thing, that came from a local group in Minnesota that did an interview. Video straight from the man himself, here:

http://mnchange.org/walter-mondale-and-mark-dayton-support-new-911-investigation

Old media is dead. ABC/CNN will never report on Mondale saying questions need to be answered about 9/11, but because of the internet, those young people in Minnesota were able to upload their clips straight into your consciousness.

And 9/11 needs to be addressed because it leads to things like this. InfraGard:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/76388

Look at the growth rate on that thing. Junior G-men with shoot to kill orders. Gestapo wannabes being spoon-fed attention by people who teach that habeas corpus doesn't exist.

And the "other party" won't stop this kind of garbage. The Democrats are the party of "big government," so who you gonna turn to? WE have to put a stop to it, and the one sure way is to point out that the "war on terror" began with a staged event.

Subject: RE: BS: Willie Nelson, Walter Mondale & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:09 PM

No...no,no,no,no,no,...no more conspiracy theory threads!